Would you rather see Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Dubois II?

[champion4ever]

These questions have already been answered. Kovalev and Duva did formally protest against the fouls.

Ward got away with punching Kovalev low because Tony Weeks is a corrupt POS of a ref.

You guys are a mess!

[kafkod]

You just posted Usyk’s hip line and belly button. Any referee could have easily ruled that a legal punch.

In addition, they wouldn’t have been wrong or have their decision overturned either. Once again that referee was both partial and biased.

He could have easily counted Usyk out if he wanted to but chose not to. A referee could have made a judgement call either way and not have been wrong.

The punch partially grazed the navel. Which made it a legal blow.

Yes, the ref could easily have failed to spot the low blow if he had been in a different position. Low blows often get missed in the chaos of a fight, or ignored by refs, for whatever reason. But this low blow wasn't missed and it wasn't ignored. The ref made the right call and the right man won. Now dry your eyes and stfu about it.

[champion4ever]

The ref wouldn't have counted Usyk out because Usyk would have gotten up if the ref had started counting over him. The ref called the low blow and told Usyk to take his time recovering.

My question is why did he ever go down in the first place? It wasn’t like he was punched in the balls. Usyk milked that shit for all its worth.

[IronDanHamza]

Out of the current options, the only one who beats Usyk is Father Time.

Yeah, I do agree.

As an Usyk fan, had the pleasure of sitting 3rd row when he KO'd Tony Bellew, I'd much rather him consider retirement at this point.

You've beaten what most consider the man of the modern era in Fury twice. There's not much point racking up these wins that yes whilst are good wins, aren't doing much more for the legacy and the older he gets the more likely it is he'll lose to someone he had no business losing to.

Those Fury fights had to have took something out of him also. Who's to say he's the same guy for his next fight? He may well not be.

[hugh grant]

Anything punch that lands below the belt line is a foul or a low blow. Any punch that lands on the belt line and above is considered legal. Whether it’s on the belly button or not.

I thought it was belly button, but then you have to guess where belly button is? Cos you get boxers who pull there shorts high up with belt line near chest? So I'm sure refs allow punches below belt line. And usyk shorts probably weren't too high up.
So ref has little time to make decision and when he said it was low im sure he then had to standby his decision

[kafkod]

My question is why did he ever go down in the first place? It wasn’t like he was punched in the balls. Usyk milked that shit for all its worth.

Maybe because he was hit full force in the lower belly by a 240lb power puncher? Just a thought.

[hugh grant]

If Usyk is susceptible to body shots.Kabayel is the guy to prove it!

If usyk can beat his kryotonite, then usyk might really be special

[kafkod]

Yeah, I do agree.

As an Usyk fan, had the pleasure of sitting 3rd row when he KO'd Tony Bellew, I'd much rather him consider retirement at this point.

You've beaten what most consider the man of the modern era in Fury twice. There's not much point racking up these wins that yes whilst are good wins, aren't doing much more for the legacy and the older he gets the more likely it is he'll lose to someone he had no business losing to.

Those Fury fights had to have took something out of him also. Who's to say he's the same guy for his next fight? He may well not be.

The atmosphere at Usyk/Bellew gave me goose bumps watching it on TV!

Usyk has had a lot of fights, if you include his amateur career, and he trains like a maniac by all accounts. It's amazing that he can still fight at elite level, in his late 30's, with that high energy, reflex dependent style he has. I would hate to see him lose to someone who couldn't live with him at his peak.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Again, you have not answered the question. Why was Andre Ward able to get away with landing all of those low blows?

Why wasn’t he penalized, disqualified or why didn’t Kathy Duva file a formal protest for those fouls?

Perhaps, the rules have been amended but historically belt line punches were considered legal. It has always been protocol to land punches above the hips not the belly button.

I answered this and linked it already. They did file a protest for the fouls in the Ward fight.

The disconnect here is possibly that you think the belt line refers to the top of the shorts, and it doesn't. Because fighters wear their shorts in different spots, the beltline has always been defined by the line passing from the top of the hips through the navel. That's been the case since boxing rules were formalized, and is true of all modern boxing matches, as well as historically understood as well. You can see the belt line diagrammed as such in old boxing texts dating back before 1850. The beltline meant the imaginary line where you'd wear your belt to hold up your pants, not the top of wherever you wore your shorts, because boxers would usually wear shorts that were larger, especially after groin protection was mandated. But ignorant fans conflated the two, and that's led to much confusion over the years.

Another example of fans screwing up the terminology is from the old saw "to be the champ, you have to beat the champ". That actually means that the champ retains his belt in the event of a tie, so you have to actually win in order to become the new champ. You can win by a controversial split decision, you just have to win. But fans at some point started thinking that meant you had to win the fight clearly or you didn't deserve to win, which is, of course, hogwash. Many of the ATGs won belts as challengers on narrow split decisions. But that false narrative persists to this day, even espoused by the likes of the great Roy Jones Jr, and may have contributed some to judge favoritism of the A-side, although I think corruption and financial incentives had more to do with it.

[Smash]

Again, you have not answered the question. Why was Andre Ward able to get away with landing all of those low blows?

Why wasn’t he penalized, disqualified or why didn’t Kathy Duva file a formal protest for those fouls?

Perhaps, the rules have been amended but historically belt line punches were considered legal. It has always been protocol to land punches above the hips not the belly button.

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