Would you rather see Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Dubois II?

[champion4ever]

You assume too much by thinking Usyk wouldnt have beat the count.

Of course, he would have beaten the count because he was bullshitting. I have to admit that he did a masterful job of feigning and overselling that low blow

to the ref while writhing on the canvas as if he was punched in the nuts or something. It wasn’t no low blow. He was acting his ass off.

[champion4ever]

Lower belly is the abdomen below the belly button. It is illegal to land punches below the navel in a boxing match and always has been. If that punch had been legal it probably wouldn't even have landed. Usyk saw it coming and put his arm down to deflect it. But he was expecting a legal punch, not a low blow.

Usyk goes to the body a lot. Have you ever seen him hit anybody as low as that? I haven't. He is a clean fighter who respects the rules and expects his opponents to do the same.

At this point; I am just tired of arguing this point. What is considered low? what is a belt line? What is a belly button?

Where is the groin area and hip line? It’s useless. Ultimately it’s up to the discretion of the referee to make those calls not us boxing fans.

By determining what is low or not based on his own values. I agree that punches below the abdomen are illegal.

It’s called the hip line. Which was formerly called the groin area.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Well we will just have to agree to disagree. It seems to me that they want to take body punching out of boxing altogether.

Generally, speaking, a legal punch was any punch that landed above an opponent’s hips. Now they have changed the rules.

By stating that any punch that lands below the navel is illegal. When it used to be that any punch that lands below the hips were illegal.

The navel lies on the line that connects the top of the hips for most people. Most if not all of the glove was below that line. And it made contact with the cup. Dubois was told before the bout that the beltline on the shorts was entirely off limits, and he was landing low blows all night. Not sure why you're so blind in this case. This isn't a matter of a difference of opinions. By every metric that matters (ref discretion, official rules, anatomy, and outcome of appeal) it was a low blow. If you want to be wrong on this, feel free. But you're choosing to be wrong, and I don't know why, because you're usually a more sensible poster. Do you have something against Usyk? Kovalev was absolutely right to appeal the disgusting corrupt decision by Tony Weeks, as those were obvious low blows. So were the ones from Salido v Loma. Refs get it wrong sometimes. This one did not.

[champion4ever]

The rules have always been the same. And, as the images I posted prove, DD's punch landed well below Usyk's hips. It wasn't even borderline, it was a clear low blow.

Fine! I am going to let you win this argument because I am done with this topic. I’ve said all I could say about it.
They were only my opinions and not facts.

This is not science we are debating here but art. Therefore, there aren’t any absolute truths.

What is the use of having rules on the books when there are no intentions of enforcing them?

[champion4ever]

The navel lies on the line that connects the top of the hips for most people. Most if not all of the glove was below that line. And it made contact with the cup. Dubois was told before the bout that the beltline on the shorts was entirely off limits, and he was landing low blows all night. Not sure why you're so blind in this case. This isn't a matter of a difference of opinions. By every metric that matters (ref discretion, official rules, anatomy, and outcome of appeal) it was a low blow. If you want to be wrong on this, feel free. But you're choosing to be wrong, and I don't know why, because you're usually a more sensible poster. Do you have something against Usyk? Kovalev was absolutely right to appeal the disgusting corrupt decision by Tony Weeks, as those were obvious low blows. So were the ones from Salido v Loma. Refs get it wrong sometimes. This one did not.

I have nothing against Usyk but you are acting like he was punched in the balls or something when he was not. At worst the punch was low. At best it was borderline.

However, the way Usyk attempted to feign and oversell it by pretending that he was punched in the groin was both repugnant and disgusting.

He tried to get Triple D DQ. When all he had to do was to get his ass up and fight. Not lying and writhing on the canvas for more than ten minutes

In order to milk it for all its worth. That was poor gamesmanship on his part in my opinion.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I have nothing against Usyk but you are acting like he was punched in the balls or something when he was not. At worst the punch was low. At best it was borderline.

However, the way Usyk attempted to feign and oversell it by pretending that he was punched in the groin was both repugnant and disgusting.

He tried to get Triple D DQ. When all he had to do was to get his ass up and fight. Not lying and writhing on the canvas for more than ten minutes

In order to milk it for all its worth. That was poor gamesmanship on his part in my opinion.

Boy, you really want to get it wrong here. You clearly do have something against Usyk.

First, by the rules, that was low. Not borderline. Low. The entire belt was declared off limits prior to the fight. At best you could claim that he had a knuckle over, but that's a low blow by every metric that matters. Your delusions about what you think it ought to be have fugh-all to do with the facts of the matter.

Second, he didn't milk anything. He fell down in pain because he got punched low by a big power puncher. He tried to restart after about a minute, and was told by Pabon that he had up to 5 mins, which he does, per the rules. He didn't try to get Dubois DQed; he didn't even ask that, and Pabon had already ruled it accidental. If he had said he was unable to continue, maybe you'd have a point, but the worst that would have happened if it had been a deliberate foul would have been the automatic two point deduction. Mind you, Dubois had already been warned for low blowing prior to that round, and been consistently fouling Usyk up to that point, so a deliberate foul call would have been justified.

Third, Usyk didn't lie there for more than 10 minutes. He used 3:45 of his allowed 5, and was on his feet after 1 minute. There's no aspect of your tirade here that's actually true.

Just like you've been wrong about what the rules say, what the historical precedent is, and you even lied about Kovalev not appealing the low blows by Ward. You have gotten literally everything wrong, despite being shown clear and conclusive proof. Why? You are usually a better poster than this. This isn't a matter of opinion. You are factually wrong on ALL of those counts, and it's all easy to verify for yourself. The rules of boxing are available for you to read, and they clearly state navel, not your "if it touches skin it's legal" BS. We've shown photos that demonstrate it was clearly on the shorts, which were worn low. You can see Usyk's navel before and after above the line of his shorts. A simple search would have shown you that Kovalev did indeed appeal the low blows by Ward. A simple search or review of the fight would have shown you that Usyk was back on his feet, never tried to get Dubois disqualified, and resumed the fight well within the 5 minutes allowed by the rules.

Come on, man. I know you're better than this.

[billeau2]

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[hugh grant]

I want usyk to have 3 more fights, even though usyk might want 2.
As long as usyk fights parker, ddd, ajit. I don't care about the order.

[paulf]

Parker - simply because we wouldn't have to choose if Dubois hadn't pulled out of the fight with Parker with a fake illness. Winner would have got Usyk.

[IronDanHamza]

Parker - simply because we wouldn't have to choose if Dubois hadn't pulled out of the fight with Parker with a fake illness. Winner would have got Usyk.

Why do you think the illness was fake?