Would you rather see Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Dubois II?

[billeau2]

I started out not caring which fighter fought Usyk next, but I must say I was moved by the thread to think that the Dubois blow while it could be judged either way, I tend to now think it was fair, it was at least close enough to deserve a rematch. Dubois has gotten better, still do not see either of these guys beating Usyk but Dubois has a claim for sure.

Parker is a role model. The guy has used all his pluck and experience to get pretty good. His problem is how would he be a threat to Usyk? Bellew, who I think is underrated as a smart boxer, was outboxing Usyk for the first third of their fight... One can imagine that if Toney had been bigger and had more gas in the tank, the fight would be interesting... parker has pretty good gas and power but does not have near the skills needed to get Usyk in serious trouble.

Dubois has good power that could potentially be a threat to Usyk if Dubois can figure out how to not get outboxed in the early part of the fight.

[kafkod]

So why didn't Team Kovalev and Main Events protest the TKO Stoppage then? If hitting below the navel or belly button is against the rules.

There is no "if" ...

it is against the rules.

Again: https://www.abcboxing.com/abc-regulatory-guidelines/

"ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS REGULATORY GUIDELINES AND RULES FOR ALL WORLD AND REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BOUTS"

"Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts: 1. Hitting an opponent below the navel"

[kafkod]

Then why was Andre Ward able to get away with punching Sergei Kovalev below the navel which resulted in a TKO loss without being DQ huh? Was the referee enforcing the rules properly?

Every blow that Andre Ward landed in that TKO stoppage sequence were all below the navel but the referee ruled them legal shots why? I know you won't answer it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Therefore, I would have to call bullshit on that no punch below the navel nonsense. If that was indeed the truth; Then Andre Ward would have been qualified in Ward/Kovalev 2.

So if a fighter doesn't get disqualified, that proves he didn't break the rules, yeah?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you spend 2 years crying about Fury breaking every rule in the book against Wilder?

[kafkod]

Here's the deal. Every punch landed on the beltline or above is considered legal. You are being disingenuous by presenting this below the belly button/navel nonsense because the beltline is typically defined as the area just above the hips. The last I checked the navel is above the hips. So how could that possibly be ruled a low blow.

Because it landed below the navel

[kafkod]

Wrong! It looks like a legal blow to me. It was a borderline shot on the beltline The beltline is typically defined as the area just above the hips. The referee got it all wrong on this call. It was a rigged call by a rigged referee in a rigged bout in front of a rigged governing body.

WTF? Are really saying that punch landed on the area above Usyk's hips?

Do you know what "hips" are?

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Can't believe Dubois ducked Parker with some BS excuse all for a rematch against Usyk. I mean, I understand because it's boxing and stranger things have happened, but his excuse to pull out was bogus. Parker arguably earned his title shot just as much as Dubois earned his, but c'mon on man.

[kafkod]

Here's the deal. That "nonsense" is the rules. The only nonsense is a couch potato thinking he knows better without even knowing what the rules are. The rules don't even talk about the beltline, and they certainly aren't about the friggin shorts or skin. You are wrong about this, and your unwillingness to learn just shows that you have an agenda here. The rules say it was a low blow, the ref called it a low blow, the appeal ruled it was a low blow. It's a low blow. You haven't gotten a single fact right. You want to keep digging here?

B .. b ... b ... but ... Ward hit Kovalev in the nuts multiple times and he didn't get DQ'd

[IronDanHamza]

B .. b ... b ... but ... Ward hit Kovalev in the nuts multiple times and he didn't get DQ'd

For what it's worth, for the decades and decades I've watched Boxing, the "belt line" was generally always considered to be OK for the most part.

Kind of like how holding is illegal yet fighters hold none stop. Guess it's kind of the same, or similar at least.

Anyway, no matter what side of the fence you sit on a low blow is the refs discretion so fact of the matter is the shot was in the position where the rules state it can be deemed low, it was deemed low by the ref and therefore wasn't a legal punch.

[champion4ever]

There is no "if" ...

it is against the rules.

Again: https://www.abcboxing.com/abc-regulatory-guidelines/

"ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS REGULATORY GUIDELINES AND RULES FOR ALL WORLD AND REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BOUTS"

"Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts: 1. Hitting an opponent below the navel"

Again, you have not answered the question. Why was Andre Ward able to get away with landing all of those low blows?

Why wasn’t he penalized, disqualified or why didn’t Kathy Duva file a formal protest for those fouls?

Perhaps, the rules have been amended but historically belt line punches were considered legal. It has always been protocol to land punches above the hips not the belly button.

[champion4ever]

So if a fighter doesn't get disqualified, that proves he didn't break the rules, yeah?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you spend 2 years crying about Fury breaking every rule in the book against Wilder?

At the end of the day. Boxing is an art not science. Every referee is different. That referee made a judgement call by not counting Usyk out. He was both biased and partial.

Now if Referee Tony Weeks was officiating that bout; Then chances are Triple D would have won the bout by way of KO to the body.

Referee’s are human just like everyone else and have their favorites and non favorites. They have broad discretion while enforcing the rules.

Had that referee decided to count Usyk out he would not have been wrong but it would have ticked Usyk fan boys off. However, he just simply chose to not to.