Would you rather see Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Dubois II?

[hugh grant]

Why do you think the illness was fake?

Probably because ddd is talking of usyk fight, rather than honouring parker reschedule

[RingoKid]

Why do you think the illness was fake?

Why do you think it was real ?

[IronDanHamza]

Why do you think it was real ?

Well first and foremost I don't see any logical reason why a fighter would waste a large amount of money on a training camp, travel all the way to Saudi Arabia, just to then pull out the day before and lose out on a massive pay day when he could have just avoided all that and waited out for the undisputed title shot if that was his plan. Or if that was his master plan I'm sure it would make more sense to pull out with some kind of "injury" months prior instead.

Seems on the other side of logic to me and closer to the nonsensical side of things.

Robert Smith confirmed that Dubois wasn't cleared to fight by their doctor after being sent to hospital and was withdrawn by their doctor.

From what I can gather there is zero evidence to suggest he faked an illness and in fact the opposite. Unless of course Robert Smith is also involved in the nonsensical conspiracy to throw millions of Great British Pounds down the toilet for no reason.

[kafkod]

Boy, you really want to get it wrong here. You clearly do have something against Usyk.

First, by the rules, that was low. Not borderline. Low. The entire belt was declared off limits prior to the fight. At best you could claim that he had a knuckle over, but that's a low blow by every metric that matters. Your delusions about what you think it ought to be have fugh-all to do with the facts of the matter.

Second, he didn't milk anything. He fell down in pain because he got punched low by a big power puncher. He tried to restart after about a minute, and was told by Pabon that he had up to 5 mins, which he does, per the rules. He didn't try to get Dubois DQed; he didn't even ask that, and Pabon had already ruled it accidental. If he had said he was unable to continue, maybe you'd have a point, but the worst that would have happened if it had been a deliberate foul would have been the automatic two point deduction. Mind you, Dubois had already been warned for low blowing prior to that round, and been consistently fouling Usyk up to that point, so a deliberate foul call would have been justified.

Third, Usyk didn't lie there for more than 10 minutes. He used 3:45 of his allowed 5, and was on his feet after 1 minute. There's no aspect of your tirade here that's actually true.

Just like you've been wrong about what the rules say, what the historical precedent is, and you even lied about Kovalev not appealing the low blows by Ward. You have gotten literally everything wrong, despite being shown clear and conclusive proof. Why? You are usually a better poster than this. This isn't a matter of opinion. You are factually wrong on ALL of those counts, and it's all easy to verify for yourself. The rules of boxing are available for you to read, and they clearly state navel, not your "if it touches skin it's legal" BS. We've shown photos that demonstrate it was clearly on the shorts, which were worn low. You can see Usyk's navel before and after above the line of his shorts. A simple search would have shown you that Kovalev did indeed appeal the low blows by Ward. A simple search or review of the fight would have shown you that Usyk was back on his feet, never tried to get Dubois disqualified, and resumed the fight well within the 5 minutes allowed by the rules.

Come on, man. I know you're better than this.

He's coming out with the same irrational nonsense Don Charles was spewing for months after the fight. Charles was accusing Usyk of "acting" and pretending to be too hurt to get up and fight. Next breath he was saying the punch "crippled him" and there was no way he could have beaten the count if the ref hadn't called a foul.

Talk about have your cake and eat it.

[RingoKid]

Well first and foremost I don't see any logical reason why a fighter would waste a large amount of money on a training camp, travel all the way to Saudi Arabia, just to then pull out the day before and lose out on a massive pay day when he could have just avoided all that and waited out for the undisputed title shot if that was his plan. Or if that was his master plan I'm sure it would make more sense to pull out with some kind of "injury" months prior instead.

Seems on the other side of logic to me and closer to the nonsensical side of things.

Robert Smith confirmed that Dubois wasn't cleared to fight by their doctor after being sent to hospital and was withdrawn by their doctor.

From what I can gather there is zero evidence to suggest he faked an illness and in fact the opposite. Unless of course Robert Smith is also involved in the nonsensical conspiracy to throw millions of Great British Pounds down the toilet for no reason.

In house doctors make a call to pull Dubois who seemed more confident of losing to focus on bigger payout for undisputed with Usyk.

There's your reason.

If not, then Dubois could have easily rescheduled for 6-8 weeks later. Has he done that ?

No, because he bottled it the night before facing Parker and has been ducking him since.

[IronDanHamza]

In house doctors make a call to pull Dubois who seemed more confident of losing to focus on bigger payout for undisputed with Usyk.

Ok so now we're heading into the bizzarro conspiracy world where doctors and boards are involved in the burning money master plan.

So you actually think that Dubois has paid off the BBBoC, to pull him from the fight with a made up illness, for what, to somehow make more money? The BBBoC aren't going to make any more money there.

That makes zero sense.

There's your reason.

Again just seems like quite the illogical reason to me. This is heading into flat earth territory in all honesty.

Like previously stated, why waste all of that time and money on a training camp, to fly all the way to Saudi just to pull out the day before when he could have just pulled out weeks before? Doesn't even make the first bit of sense. Especially considering you're leaving millions on the table.

If Dubois's whole plan was to not fight Parker and make up an injury, does it make sense to do a a full camp, pay sparring partners, fly to Saudi, pay off the BBBoC when you can just wait out Usyk instead of deliberately wasting money?

If not, then Dubois could have easily rescheduled for 6-8 weeks later. Has he done that ?

No, because he bottled it the night before facing Parker and has been ducking him since.

Why would he do that when he can fight Usyk for all the belts instead?

If Usyk is on the table which it now is, obviously he's going to take that fight as opposed to fighting Parker.

[RingoKid]

Why would he do that when he can fight Usyk for all the belts instead?

Well done champ. It took some time but you finally got there cos that's exactly what he's done.

Didn't need to fight Parker who he would have lost to, so didnt, and is now in all likelihood fighting Usyk for more money to cover the previous loss.

And please dont tell me the boards and doctors, like the rankings by the orgs aren't in the pockets of the promoters upon whose livelihoods they depend on.

[IronDanHamza]

Well done champ. It took some time but you finally got there cos that's exactly what he's done.

Didn't need to fight Parker who he would have lost to, so didnt, and is now in all likelihood fighting Usyk for more money to cover the previous loss.

And please dont tell me the boards and doctors, like the rankings by the orgs aren't in the pockets of the promoters upon whose livelihoods they depend on.

Ok you seemed to miss the part where he could have just done that anyway instead of wasting a fuck load of money and time in the process You can't honestly think that makes sense.

So what exactly do the BBBoC get out this for getting their doctors to pretend there's an illness withdraw him? Who else is in on this money burning conspiracy? Turki? The receptionist at the hospital? The taxi drivers? The flight attendants? Maybe even the youtubers like Charlie Parsons? Where does this batshit conspiracy end?

Your third point would make slightly more sense if Joseph Parker wasn't also promoted by Frank Warren. Maybe Parker is involved in all this too? Maybe Parker got a bit of side money and the real conspiracy was to take out Martin "Sparring GOAT" Bakolie knowing he'd take the fight on one days notice and would get eliminated by Parker to save Dubois from the 3 previous nose breaks in sparring? We might be onto something here now you mention it.

Frank Warren double cross on Dubois perhaps? Like when Hulk Hogan turned on the WCW in 1996.

[RingoKid]

Frank Warren double cross on Dubois perhaps? Like when Hulk Hogan turned on the WCW in 1996.

More like when Bret Hart got jobbed by Shawn Michaels in the Montreal Screwjob.

If you'll recall, before the fight, Usyk called out Dubois as his preferred dance partner.

Frank also saw his boy bottling it, did the sums, concocted a case of the sniffles, stacked a few brown envelopes and the dirty deed was done for not so dirt cheap.

Now isn't it funny that Usyk v Dubois, which is in the works, does not involve the Desert Turki...

Why do you think that is ?

[IronDanHamza]

More like when Bret Hart got jobbed by Shawn Michaels in the Montreal Screwjob.

If you'll recall, before the fight, Usyk called out Dubois as his preferred dance partner.

Frank also saw his boy bottling it, did the sums, concocted a case of the sniffles, stacked a few brown envelopes and the dirty deed was done for not so dirt cheap.

Now isn't it funny that Usyk v Dubois, which is in the works, does not involve the Desert Turki...

Why do you think that is ?

That was funny. I'm of the opinion that Brett screwed Brett.

And I think Turki is involved in the Wembley show in July.