Would you rather see Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Dubois II?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Ward getting away with hitting Kovalev low doesn't mean there is no such thing as a low blow anymore. If somebody gets away with murder, does that mean murder is no longer a crime?

The punch that dropped Usyk didn't touch any part of his skin and he wasn't wearing his trunks either too high or too low.

And if it's all down to the ref's discretion, then what are you even arguing about here? The ref called it a low blow, immediately, without any appeal from Usyk.

The Association of Boxing Commissions set the rules for all world title fights, and the ABC rules say this: "Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:1. Hitting an opponent below the navel"

https://www.abcboxing.com/abc-regulatory-guidelines/

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That's a low blow. There really is nothing to argue about here.

If it weren't for this false narrative, or if Dubois hadn't quit for the third time in his career, this time before even getting in the ring with Parker, we'd be getting Usyk v Parker and Usyk'd have something on his resume besides having to beat a trio of Brits twice each before the world will admit he's the better man. Absolutely wild how people can call themselves boxing fans but maintain aggressive ignorance about the rules of the sport they're purportedly fans of.

[champion4ever]

Holy double standards. If it's up to the discretion of the ref (which it is), then the only thing that matters is the ruling of the ref, and it was therefore an illegal blow because it was below the line designated by the ref.
If it's defined by the rules (which it also is, and you apparently don't know them), then it's anything below the navel/hip line, making it an illegal blow.



There's nothing in the rules about where you have to wear your trunks. The only thing that matters is the hip line, which is why Tyson Fury can wear his shorts up to his armpits. I've read the rules many times and in every one of my fights, the ref has designated the low blow line with reference to the navel. Let's see you prove where the rules say anything at all about where you wear your trunks.

No matter how you slice it, both the rules and the discretion of the ref make it clear that for that bout, it was a low blow. And as I've said before, it wasn't the only one landed. A ref may let low blows slide with a warning if the foul doesn't affect the injured fighter's ability to continue, but that doesn't make it not a foul, and the unified rules of boxing (14) require the ref to permit the injured boxer up to 5 mins to recover in the case of an accidental foul. Since that wasn't the first low blow and Dubois had been warned about it, rule 13a says that the ref could have ruled that intentional, which would have resulted in a mandatory 2 point deduction from Dubois. He was lucky it was ruled accidental (which is likely also why he and his corner didn't protest at the time of the call, or at any time until after the fight was finalized).

Then why was Andre Ward able to get away with punching Sergei Kovalev below the navel which resulted in a TKO loss without being DQ huh? Was the referee enforcing the rules properly?

Every blow that Andre Ward landed in that TKO stoppage sequence were all below the navel but the referee ruled them legal shots why? I know you won't answer it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Therefore, I would have to call bullshit on that no punch below the navel nonsense. If that was indeed the truth; Then Andre Ward would have been qualified in Ward/Kovalev 2.

[champion4ever]

False. The beltline can be worn high or low, which is why it's not the determining point for low blows. It's sometimes used for convenience, but in point of fact, the navel/hip line is the low blow line. You don't know the rules.

My question to you is. if that is true then why wasn't Andre Ward disqualified in his TKO victory over Sergiy Kovalev? Every punch he landed in that sequence was well below the navel belly button area but the referee did not intervene to penalize or deduct points from Ward why?

[champion4ever]

Ward getting away with hitting Kovalev low doesn't mean there is no such thing as a low blow anymore. If somebody gets away with murder, does that mean murder is no longer a crime?

The punch that dropped Usyk didn't touch any part of his skin and he wasn't wearing his trunks either too high or too low.

And if it's all down to the ref's discretion, then what are you even arguing about here? The ref called it a low blow, immediately, without any appeal from Usyk.

The Association of Boxing Commissions set the rules for all world title fights, and the ABC rules say this: "Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:1. Hitting an opponent below the navel"

https://www.abcboxing.com/abc-regulatory-guidelines/

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That's a low blow. There really is nothing to argue about here.

So why didn't Team Kovalev and Main Events protest the TKO Stoppage then? If hitting below the navel or belly button is against the rules.

[crimsonfalcon07]

My question to you is. if that is true then why wasn't Andre Ward disqualified in his TKO victory over Sergiy Kovalev? Every punch he landed in that sequence was well below the navel belly button area but the referee did not intervene to penalize or deduct points from Ward why?

The obvious answer is that Tony Weeks is a corrupt POS who should never work again. Remember this is the guy who singlehandedly awarded Rolly the belt without Rolly landing a single punch in the flurry that led to Weeks calling it off. It's also the guy who disqualified Uzcátegui for a punch after the bell that was obviously a bad call, and the guy responsible for the early stoppage in Ortiz v Lawson, among many other bad calls. He's a terrible ref, and the Ward v Kovalev fight is just more evidence that he's corrupt, and that we should value refs like Pabon who DO abide by the rules way more.

The real question here is why you think that a corrupt ref flagrantly ignoring the rules means that the rules don't exist. Note that also, his decisions were allowed to stand in all of those cases, which is just further evidence that the ref is the final arbiter, and consequently, that, as it was ruled a low blow, that it officially WAS a low blow. Weeks being trash has fugh-all to do with a correct decision by a totally different ref that is in clear compliance with the rules of boxing. If anything, it's just more evidence that it was, in fact, a low blow, as it was ruled, and as it is defined by the unified rules of boxing. Ward v Kovalev is absolutely the one you should be complaining about, not Usyk v Dubois.

[crimsonfalcon07]

So why didn't Team Kovalev and Main Events protest the TKO Stoppage then? If hitting below the navel or belly button is against the rules.

https://nypost.com/2017/06/18/sergey...d-title-fight/

They did protest it... How many more times do you want to be wrong about this topic?

[champion4ever]

The obvious answer is that Tony Weeks is a corrupt POS who should never work again. Remember this is the guy who singlehandedly awarded Rolly the belt without Rolly landing a single punch in the flurry that led to Weeks calling it off. It's also the guy who disqualified Uzcátegui for a punch after the bell that was obviously a bad call, and the guy responsible for the early stoppage in Ortiz v Lawson, among many other bad calls. He's a terrible ref, and the Ward v Kovalev fight is just more evidence that he's corrupt, and that we should value refs like Pabon who DO abide by the rules way more.

The real question here is why you think that a corrupt ref flagrantly ignoring the rules means that the rules don't exist. Note that also, his decisions were allowed to stand in all of those cases, which is just further evidence that the ref is the final arbiter, and consequently, that, as it was ruled a low blow, that it officially WAS a low blow. Weeks being trash has fugh-all to do with a correct decision by a totally different ref that is in clear compliance with the rules of boxing. If anything, it's just more evidence that it was, in fact, a low blow, as it was ruled, and as it is defined by the unified rules of boxing. Ward v Kovalev is absolutely the one you should be complaining about, not Usyk v Dubois.

Here's the deal. Every punch landed on the beltline or above is considered legal. You are being disingenuous by presenting this below the belly button/navel nonsense because the beltline is typically defined as the area just above the hips. The last I checked the navel is above the hips. So how could that possibly be ruled a low blow.

[champion4ever]

Ward getting away with hitting Kovalev low doesn't mean there is no such thing as a low blow anymore. If somebody gets away with murder, does that mean murder is no longer a crime?

The punch that dropped Usyk didn't touch any part of his skin and he wasn't wearing his trunks either too high or too low.

And if it's all down to the ref's discretion, then what are you even arguing about here? The ref called it a low blow, immediately, without any appeal from Usyk.

The Association of Boxing Commissions set the rules for all world title fights, and the ABC rules say this: "Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:1. Hitting an opponent below the navel"

https://www.abcboxing.com/abc-regulatory-guidelines/

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That's a low blow. There really is nothing to argue about here.

Wrong! It looks like a legal blow to me. It was a borderline shot on the beltline The beltline is typically defined as the area just above the hips. The referee got it all wrong on this call. It was a rigged call by a rigged referee in a rigged bout in front of a rigged governing body.

[Joseph]

Whether or not the nut shot was legitimate, Dubois was not robbed of a KO. The ref ruled it a low blow and Usyk responded accordingly. If he would have ruled it a legitimate knockdown, Usyk may or may not have gotten up. We don't know. What we do know is that Usyk went on to completely dismantle DDD. I'd watch it again, but Parker has done a lot to earn his shot, including NOT ducking DDD, and so I would rather see that first. Either winner facing Dubois would have a selling point story.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Here's the deal. Every punch landed on the beltline or above is considered legal. You are being disingenuous by presenting this below the belly button/navel nonsense because the beltline is typically defined as the area just above the hips. The last I checked the navel is above the hips. So how could that possibly be ruled a low blow.

Here's the deal. That "nonsense" is the rules. The only nonsense is a couch potato thinking he knows better without even knowing what the rules are. The rules don't even talk about the beltline, and they certainly aren't about the friggin shorts or skin. You are wrong about this, and your unwillingness to learn just shows that you have an agenda here. The rules say it was a low blow, the ref called it a low blow, the appeal ruled it was a low blow. It's a low blow. You haven't gotten a single fact right. You want to keep digging here?