Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[kafkod]

you sound like the losers who do krav maga who think they can beat pro fighters cause theyve been taught to kick someone in the balls lol... is funny cause you guys would have a stroke if someone who does krav maga said they could beat an elite boxer but they would only be following the logic you are using now 'the boxer isnt used to dirty tactics, i'd kick him in the balls and poke his eye' and all that bull****

You sound like a complete idiot who doesn't realise that I was talking about one one specific no rules "fantasy fight" between 2 specific fighters.

[CubanGuyNYC]

There were virtually no rules in Royces era of MMA. You could pull hair, strike people in the nuts, hit them in the back of the head, kick them in the head when they were on the ground, think you could use small joint manipulation (break fingers etc) too although i'm not 100% on that, you could wear basically whatever you wanted, grab the cage to your hearts content etc. There were no weight classes either. I mean how much closer does it need to get to an actual street fight?



Jon is quite a bit bigger than Ken, and a much better wrestler. I think people tend to underestimate how physically strong and imposing he is because he doesnt LOOK it on the surface. I mean DC had similar dimensions and center of gravity to Tyson except he was a good 20-30lbs heavier and a literal olympic medallist wrestler but he still couldnt overpower Jon. Gane is 6'5, just shy of 250lbs and athletic as **** and Jon ragdolled him. Rampage used to deadlift people off the ground and ****ing powerbomb them, Vitor was in full TRT Vitor mode juiced to the ****ing gills when Jon beat him etc.



Pro MMA fighters are not regular guys though. Its a legit pro sport and the fighters are serious athletes training 30+hrs a week. Not some hobbyists.

It definitely matters what kind of Jiu jitsu the guy did. Japanese Ju-jutsu is like comparing I dunno, wing chun to boxing or something, in terms of being a properly developed and pressure tested competitive field. Its not the same art really.

Even within actual BJJ there is a massive variation and schism. You get tons of nerdy Gi BJJ guys who treat it like a cult and arent really athletic at all. Then on the other hand you have No Gi which is much more athletically demanding and tends to produce monsters. Obviously MMA is much closer to No Gi but even more high paced and intense due to strikes, shorter time limits to work with etc.

It’s been a long thread, and this subject has come up before, so I only read a few pages’ worth of posts. I’ve chosen this one to quote because your posts strike me as among the most well-informed and well-stated. I’ve been a boxing fan my whole (almost 60 years) life. I also have an interest in combat sports/martial arts in general. I recall watching the first dozen or so UFC entries, then only caught an MMA fight here and there over the years. (I lost a little interest when the sport evolved past pure fighting styles and introduced more rules.) I also have significant experience in real-world altercations. I don’t consider myself an expert, but I’d like to add my two cents.

To answer the OP’s question, I’d say Tyson stands the better chance — but he’d better land a big shot almost immediately or he’s done. As should be clear from my opening statements, I prefer watching boxing over MMA; but I think any boxing fan is deluding themselves if they think boxing talents are preferable over mixed skills in any kind of fight outside the Queensbury rules. A guy like Jon Jones, a 6’4” heavyweight, and one of the greatest MMA fighters ever, is not likely to be beaten by any boxer that ever lived. I’m not saying he’s utterly invincible — anything can happen in combat between elite fighters — but the odds are heavily in Jones’s favor.

[BirdSong]

ill laugh so hard of jon jones in out on a night out and gets waxed by some dude in a bar and wakes up in hospital!!!! LOL oh look theres superman!! lol

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not sure about that, tbh. But it doesn't really matter. He couldn't tap me out in practice and if he'd tried doing the same things with me in a street fight as he did in the practice, let's just say it wouldn't have gone well for him.

Why do I say it doesn't matter what kind of Ju-Jitsu belt he has?

Because in the real world, there is no form of martial art under the sun that gives regular guys the ability to defeat anybody who isn't trained in that particular martial art in a street fight. NONE.

Maybe in the weird BJJ fanboy fantasy world you live in, things are different. But I'm talking about reality here.

You quite literally could not be any further from reality mate

Like I said if you actually think you can grapple with a legitimate black belt in any kind of Jiu Jitsu and not get tapped in less than 30 seconds you're in a dream world, not the real one.

So your pal either had mercy on you or he got his black belt from Amazon.

Either way, go and walk into any BJJ gym and to ask to grapple with a black belt and see how it goes for you You should record it too, upload on it youtube right next to video of an MMA gym owner in China saying black belts wouldn't be able to tap Mike Tyson Any joy on posting that video, by the way?

[IronDanHamza]

Royce faced those guys under MMA rules, rather than no rules, and none of them could use their fists like Mike Tyson.

Up till to now I've been discussing a no rules fight between prime Mike Tyson, from the late 1980's, and Jon Jones, which I would make Tyson a strong favourite to win. Qualities Tyson had back then that would have made him at least 50/50 with anybody in a no rules fight were - low centre of gravity, short arms, extreme explosive power, all out aggression, viciousness, street fighting experience, and in particular, the ability to knock big, strong guys out cold with short punches thrown on the move. And he was doing that while wearing 10 oz boxing gloves, of course.

I think the adage "styles make fights" applies to street fights as well as boxing. Imo, a huge, strong specialist grappler/wrestler like, eg, Shamrock, would have a better chance against prime Tyson in a no rules fight than Jon Jones would. I'm going to call that one 50/50. Either guy could realistically beat the other, depending who got the break.

Ken Shamrock has a better chance vs Mike Tyson than Jon Jones he says

Mate I think you've watched too much WWF wrestling. You know Mike Tyson didn't actually knock out Shawn Micheals, right? Who wins out of Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mike Tyson? Tyson bottled it at WrestleMania and joined teams with him instead of fighting him so I think that makes Stone Cold Steve Austin the favourite.

Ken Shamrock Please tell me just even one advantage Ken Shamrock has over Jon Jones in that scenario.

[kafkod]

There were virtually no rules in Royces era of MMA. You could pull hair, strike people in the nuts, hit them in the back of the head, kick them in the head when they were on the ground, think you could use small joint manipulation (break fingers etc) too although i'm not 100% on that, you could wear basically whatever you wanted, grab the cage to your hearts content etc. There were no weight classes either. I mean how much closer does it need to get to an actual street fight?



Jon is quite a bit bigger than Ken, and a much better wrestler. I think people tend to underestimate how physically strong and imposing he is because he doesnt LOOK it on the surface. I mean DC had similar dimensions and center of gravity to Tyson except he was a good 20-30lbs heavier and a literal olympic medallist wrestler but he still couldnt overpower Jon. Gane is 6'5, just shy of 250lbs and athletic as **** and Jon ragdolled him. Rampage used to deadlift people off the ground and ****ing powerbomb them, Vitor was in full TRT Vitor mode juiced to the ****ing gills when Jon beat him etc.



Pro MMA fighters are not regular guys though. Its a legit pro sport and the fighters are serious athletes training 30+hrs a week. Not some hobbyists.

It definitely matters what kind of Jiu jitsu the guy did. Japanese Ju-jutsu is like comparing I dunno, wing chun to boxing or something, in terms of being a properly developed and pressure tested competitive field. Its not the same art really.

Even within actual BJJ there is a massive variation and schism. You get tons of nerdy Gi BJJ guys who treat it like a cult and arent really athletic at all. Then on the other hand you have No Gi which is much more athletically demanding and tends to produce monsters. Obviously MMA is much closer to No Gi but even more high paced and intense due to strikes, shorter time limits to work with etc.

"Jon is quite a bit bigger than Ken, and a much better wrestler. I think people tend to underestimate how physically strong and imposing he is because he doesnt LOOK it on the surface."

Maybe I am underestimating Jon Jones. I don't follow MMA closely. My impression of Jones is based on his reign as UFC LHW champ, his PED controversies and his ducking of Ngannou and Aspinall after moving up to HW. If he is bigger than Shamrock and a better wrestler then I would call Jones vs Tyson with no rules a 50/50 fight. Either one would have the ability to beat the other if luck went their way.

"It definitely matters what kind of Jiu jitsu the guy did."

Not to the guy I was talking too. He is saying that any kind of Ju-Jitsu black belt would easily tap me out in less than 30 seconds, which I know to be bullshit.

[dan_cov]

[dan_cov]

*Scoots bum across the floor and reaches for your ankle*

[dan_cov]

Ken Shamrock has a better chance vs Mike Tyson than Jon Jones he says

Mate I think you've watched too much WWF wrestling. You know Mike Tyson didn't actually knock out Shawn Micheals, right? Who wins out of Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mike Tyson? Tyson bottled it at WrestleMania and joined teams with him instead of fighting him so I think that makes Stone Cold Steve Austin the favourite.

Ken Shamrock Please tell me just even one advantage Ken Shamrock has over Jon Jones in that scenario.

On a serious note if you're not familiar with him check out Kade Ruotolo and his twin Tye, they're both signed to ONE CHAMPIONSHIP.

[TheProudLunatic]

early UFC barely had any rules....

Street fights have none.