Wilder is the Biggest SCAM in Boxing History

[Haka]

Then Tyson Fury is the second biggest scam ?

[Pac=Duran]

Then Tyson Fury is the second biggest scam ?

No that's Haney.

Fury is the guy that twice made a meal out of the Biggest scam in boxing when he should have trashed him like he did in the 2nd fight. Fury will go down as a guy that just couldnt stay dedicated to be a true top top upper echelon heavyweight. Like his namesake

[Tatabanya]

Name me another heavyweight who handled Charlie Zelenoff with ease like Wilder did.

[PBR Streetgang]

People are underestimating how much the trilogy with Fury took out of Wilder.

And vice versa, Fury took some permanent damage in those fights too. Although to a lesser extent.

Fighters often leave a portion of themselves in the ring after violence at that level. I don't think Zepeda or Beranchyk were the same fighters after their war either... certainty not Beranchyk. The Wilder is saw in the ring against Zhang (and also Parker) wasn't the same dude who fought Fury. His legs looked like boiled spaghetti even before he took a punch.

Never been a Wilder fan but I can still acknowledge that he had freakish power for the majority of his career.

[ilovemesomeboxing]

When a power puncher gets their chin cracked they are never the same. That sense of fearlessness goes and doesn’t come back.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I was always hard on Wilder (see my past posts) but I genuinely think he is good. He put Fury down 4 times. Almost won their first fight. People forget - that as well as power, he has great speed. He has a big heart in the ring and won bronze at the Olympics (Fury lost to David Price and didn't even qualify!).

Knocked out Helenius in one round where AJ had a rough fight with him.

His last 2 fights he hasn't really performed. I think it's more about belief and confidence. He always had a huge ego. Sometimes those fighters just can't cope with losses. It affects their whole belief system.

Also Zhang is a good boxer + massive with huge power. Many top HWs could easily lose to him. Parker was down twice in their fight. The smart way to fight Zhang is to get him tired and then pile the pressure on.

WIlder's shortcomings have not just recently been revealed in these last two fights. He has looked eminently beatable in many fights, but has managed to pull himself out of the fire with his big right hand. Nobody who has paid attention to his career should be surprised by this outcome. The man is completely devoid of boxing craft, so he was never going to beat the elite HWs of the era, and now he is at best a 50/50 bet against the 2nd tier guys.

[TheProudLunatic]

Compared to the 70s with zombie Ali getting beaten every month by proto-Pulev Ken Norton?

You romanticise the past was too much. Parker and Dubois would rip through the best guys of the 1970s era liek a hot knife through butter. Muh Chuvalo! Muh 5 ft 10 left hook spammer Frazier!

Day 1 of their retirement they will be completely forgotten.

[Roberto Vasquez]

WIlder's shortcomings have not just recently been revealed in these last two fights. He has looked eminently beatable in many fights, but has managed to pull himself out of the fire with his big right hand. Nobody who has paid attention to his career should be surprised by this outcome. The man is completely devoid of boxing craft, so he was never going to beat the elite HWs of the era, and now he is at best a 50/50 bet against the 2nd tier guys.

I agree he has always been like this. But you are totally ignoring his boxing skills. Everyone knows he has a big right hand but he was smart about landing it. I watched the first round of the Wilder/Fury 1 fight in slow motion because a guy on here wanted me to count punches landed. And Wilder outboxed Fury at range and only landed one punch less than fury the whole round. Fury was better close up. Like I said he won Bronze at olympic level.

[PRINCEKOOL]

People are underestimating how much the trilogy with Fury took out of Wilder.

And vice versa, Fury took some permanent damage in those fights too. Although to a lesser extent.

This is abit of a cliche observation, yes the tribology was a competitive and at times brutal contest 'But lets all be real? The trilogy has not taken away from Deontay Wilder's or Tyson Fury's pure boxing skills'.

I stated for many years, that there was a possibility that both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder were acting as a giant smoke screen for each other 'For years Tyson Fury and the hardcore Fury fans claimed that Fury was miles better than his nearest competition, with Deontay Wilder as the second best Heavyweight also by a distance'.

It was only when both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder were forced to actually fight other top level Heavyweights 'Besides each other, was then their current form and level revealed'.

It is 2024, and all those in the boxing community who are honest 'Are aware now that Tyson Fury is not miles better than his nearest competition. The evidence for many years has been accumulating, to prove this observation'.

Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Uysk, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder 'The top 4 Heavyweights of this era, and the three Heavyweight mountains i.e Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. They are all of the same generation'.

They are all involved in a competition to see who will be the last man standing, this type of situation and competition has happened before in history 'It occurred during the 70's and late 80's to 90's Heavyweight era's'.

Deontay Wilder has been fortunate that he appeared within the Heavyweight Division during this modern era 'He has been able to intimidate and fight at a good level, predominately relying on his power. I don't think stylistically that Wilder would of been able to stay around at top level with those abilities alone in past Heavyweights era's.

Overall Deontay Wilder in my opinion has been a solid World Heavyweight Champion of this era 'No matter what any says, he is one of the three Heavyweight mountains of this era. For what Wilder lacked in pure boxing skills, he negated this with his power, agression, determination and courage. And as a Champion, nobody can deny that he fought until their was no more, in conduct when the going got tough? Deontay Wilder was a warrior'.

Note: I just sense that certain folk in the boxing community are going through a process of realization 'Over this past year, their entire perceptions of the Heavyweight Division have been dramatically altered. They have witnessed Tyson Fury being decked, and beaten by Francis Ngannou, and Deontay Wilder being beaten easily by Joseph Parker and now quite severely by Zhilei Zhang' etc.

[PBAC]

who in the blue hell was ever claiming Wilder was anything other than a head knocker?