Wilder is the Biggest SCAM in Boxing History

[TheOneAboveAll]

This is abit of a cliche observation, yes the tribology was a competitive and at times brutal contest 'But lets all be real? The trilogy has not taken away from Deontay Wilder's or Tyson Fury's pure boxing skills'.

I stated for many years, that there was a possibility that both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder were acting as a giant smoke screen for each other 'For years Tyson Fury and the hardcore Fury fans claimed that Fury was miles better than his nearest competition, with Deontay Wilder as the second best Heavyweight also by a distance'.

It was only when both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder were forced to actually fight other top level Heavyweights 'Besides each other, was then their current form and level revealed'.

It is 2024, and all those in the boxing community who are honest 'Are aware now that Tyson Fury is not miles better than his nearest competition. The evidence for many years has been accumulating, to prove this observation'.

Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Uysk, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder 'The top 4 Heavyweights of this era, and the three Heavyweight mountains i.e Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. They are all of the same generation'.

They are all involved in a competition to see who will be the last man standing, this type of situation and competition has happened before in history 'It occurred during the 70's and late 80's to 90's Heavyweight era's'.

Deontay Wilder has been fortunate that he appeared within the Heavyweight Division during this modern era 'He has been able to intimidate and fight at a good level, predominately relying on his power. I don't think stylistically that Wilder would of been able to stay around at top level with those abilities alone in past Heavyweights era's.

Overall Deontay Wilder in my opinion has been a solid World Heavyweight Champion of this era 'No matter what any says, he is one of the three Heavyweight mountains of this era. For what Wilder lacked in pure boxing skills, he negated this with his power, agression, determination and courage. And as a Champion, nobody can deny that he fought until their was no more, in conduct when the going got tough? Deontay Wilder was a warrior'.

Note: I just sense that certain folk in the boxing community are going through a process of realization 'Over this past year, their entire perceptions of the Heavyweight Division have been dramatically altered. They have witnessed Tyson Fury being decked, and beaten by Francis Ngannou, and Deontay Wilder being beaten easily by Joseph Parker and now quite severely by Zhilei Zhang' etc.

Well said all around. Particularly agree with your thoughts on the Fury myth.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I'll say this on this topic.

Boxing fan's lack of using physics to explain **** all anything they have ever seen in the ring tells more about their ability to judge then any of the anecdotal bull**** they present like as if it means anything.



Do you judge how fast a car is based on the juxtaposition of fast cars or do you take it to a track and measure the ****er?



Do you believe video is not enough to prove some very basic physics?




Alright then, why do you use opinion stacked on opinion to form your own?







Just to be very clear, yes, I am looking down. I don't care really if you agree or disagree with me about Wilder. The form of the conversation, every character, every era, every debate, is gross ass woman ****. Well elaborated versions of he said/she said. A soap opera for grown ass men.

Hard to understand your point. What do you mean about fans 'lack of using physics to explain things?' Based on what you've written, I can't tell if I agree or disagree with you.

[Willow The Wisp]

I've been reading, attending and writing boxing for half a century and meeting with fans, fighters, legends, promoters, managers, trainers, publicists and other fight people for all that time.
I have never read such BS crap in all my days as the OP's trash.
To see the people "liking" this unsubstantiated drivel reminds me of how ****** people can be, and why I always, always maintained a good administrative assistant in my profession to strain out the people wanting a word with me in my office.

Not enough time in life to attend to all the morons.

Sir, you know little or nothing about Deontay Wilder, his opponents relative to the other active heavyweights of his time, or the sport of Boxing.
Your motivation is almost certainly Racism, or Jealousy, or something equally perverted.

To all of you casual "like" fans visiting Boxing from professional wrestling, kung fu fantasy, MMGAIE, Comic books or whatever; shame on you for taking your cue from such a foolish imposter.

To be 100% clear, this is what it is, from a real expert - Me:

The current 10 year Era is wrapping up, now in it's late stage, some of the careers are winding down. The way that I see it having seen and known many of these warriors:

The Heavyweight Ratings of the Era 2015 - 2025. (As of June 2, 2024)


1. Tyson Fury
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Anthony Joshua
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Joseph Parker
7. Andy Ruiz Jr
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Daniel Dubois
10 Wladimir Klitschko (old)
11.Dillian Whyte
12.Joe Joyce
13.Agit Kabayel
14.Alexander Povetkin (old)
15.Jared Anderson
16.Filip Hrgovic
17.Jarrell Miller
18.Kubrat Pulev (old)
19.Charles Martin
20.Derrick Chisora
21.Martin Bakole
22.Fabio Wardley
23.Carlos Takam
24.Johann Duhaupas
25.Robert Helenius
26.Hughie Fury
27.Otto Wallin
28.Bryant Jennings
29.Frank Sanchez
30.Bermane Stiverne
31.Efe Ajagba
32.Chris Arreola (old)
33.Michael Hunter
34.Frazier Clarke
35.Bakhodir Jalolov
36.Tony Yoka
37.Murat Gassiev
38.Aleksandr Ustinov
39.Lucas Browne
40.Dominic Breazeale
41.Gerald Washington
42.Jermain Franklin
43.Lenier Pero
44.David Haye
45.Vyacheslav Glazkov
46.Ruslan Chagaev (old)
47.Mariusz Wach
48.Arslanbek Makhmudov
49.Johnathan Guidry
50.Francis Ngannou

[rickJen]

Nothing new here......

I don't follow HW that much. My late grandpa did. But I followed what this scam was all about. My own version, of course.

[TheOneAboveAll]

I did that on purpose, read the closer: I don't care really if you agree or disagree with me about Wilder. The form of the conversation, every character, every era, every debate, is gross ass woman ****.

But far enough I did use analogs.


Take his punch resistance for example. Whether you're going to tell me he has or hasn't chin isn't so relevant to my issue as much as the probability you explain your stance with names and results. Opinions, stacked on opinions that draw credibility from third party opinions none of which ever bothered to measure anything. I seriously doubt any of you, not rhetorical - yourself included, are ever going to show me math for the punches delivered to Deontay as qualification for yout stance, or opinions therein.


On that front, I have a question, are you going to claim some how indirect measurement is a better metric than direct measurement, or that video is not enough to prove some basic macro physics, or is the truth laziness and a lack of interest?

Kinda sounds like I'm giving you **** but I'm not, I am genuinely asking. I already made and cited the post what gives y'all **** for your way of arguing. This post is earnestly just clarification.


I am the only poster who ever speaks to kinematic chains. I don't usually get much farther because youse lot are so entrenched in your goofy operatic debates I'll have names and dates presented to me like as if it can somehow negate math and science.





To restate the analogy. When you drive, if you want to know your speed, you check your speedometer. You may have a Lambo beside you and know what a Lambo can do but you do not use the Lambo to gage your own speed because that is indirect and doesn't even supply enough information to solve the sum. Likewise, when asked does Wilder hit harder than X, you could measure the torque involved to find an exact energy output, but you rather look to names and cite capabilities like as if it is possible Luis Ortiz or Tyson Fury or anyone else from Deontay's record's known and displayed capabilities are measurements for the physics involved in Deontay's punch or at least a good stand in.


You don't triangle theory your speed when driving because that's nuts

You do triangle theory your boxers stats based on other boxers and performances. And don't even acknowledge how ****** it is, but it is the exact same as checking your speed by looking out the window.

Well, you seem to be addressing a larger group to which you feel I belong. I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your earlier post. Rather, I was trying to get some clarity on precisely what argument you were making. It's still not clear to me what you are saying specifically. Respectfully, you responded with even more nonsense drivel which you seem to regard as intellectual and coherent. I personally assess things like fights and fighters with my own eyes and understanding. I do not have the ability to strap a load cell sensor on a fighter to measure his average punch force, so I trust my own senses and experience watching fights to give me a reliable sense of how powerful a fighter is. Not sure if anyone else has told you this, but you have a very unusual way of communicating your thoughts.

[rickJen]

Calling him a scam is too harsh. He did look good fighting guys they put in front of him after the Stiverne fight. That's when he started earning an average of $1 mil per fight. ($2 mil in the Ortiz 1).

He begged for the Joshua fight after watching his fight with Klitschko. He got jealous about the event looking so festive, especially after the KO win, the pageantry-like atmosphere and all.

But then this clown Eddie Hearn started making huge money offers. Sort of like starting from a high bid, instead of low.

That's when Wilder and his team began their scam. They behaved, or actually believed the HW division in America is back based on Hearn's idiocy. That Wilder can do it on his own and become the next PPV queen of this era. The 3 stooges Espinoza, Winkel, Haymon wanted nothing to do with DAZN. Showtime made huge investments and overpaid Wilder only to realize they were deluded and Espinoza eventually had had enough of it and threw Wilder to Fox Sports to stop the bleeding...

[Pac=Duran]

WIlder's shortcomings have not just recently been revealed in these last two fights. He has looked eminently beatable in many fights, but has managed to pull himself out of the fire with his big right hand. Nobody who has paid attention to his career should be surprised by this outcome. The man is completely devoid of boxing craft, so he was never going to beat the elite HWs of the era, and now he is at best a 50/50 bet against the 2nd tier guys.

Exactly. We've known how limited he was since way way before the first Fury fight. We were ****ting on him for Dustin Nichols and the Sconiers fight for a long long time.

All the signs were there for a monumental humbling. Was wilder saying he could whip prime Mike Tyson not enough?

Prime Mike would go through wilder in 2/3 rounds max.

[daggum]

Calling him a scam is too harsh. He did look good fighting guys they put in front of him after the Stiverne fight. That's when he started earning an average of $1 mil per fight. ($2 mil in the Ortiz 1).

He begged for the Joshua fight after watching his fight with Klitschko. He got jealous about the occasion looking so festive, especially after the KO win, the pageantry-like atmosphere and all.

But then this clown Eddie Hearn started making huge money offers. Sort of like starting from a high bid, instead of low.

That's when Wilder and his team began their scam. They behaved, or actually believed the HW division in America is back based on Hearn's idiocy. Wilder and his team started to believe he can do it on his own and be the next PPV queen of this era. The 3 stooges Espinoza, Winkel, Haymon joined in and wanted nothing to do with DAZN. Showtime made huge investments and overpaid Wilder, then fast-forward realized their delusion was nothing more than delusion, and Espinoza had had enough and threw him to Fox Sports to stop the bleeding...

they cost wilder a lot of money by tricking him/influencing him not to fight joshua and they did it because they thought it was in the best interest of showtime/pbc etc...they knew if he went to dazn on that huge deal he probably loses and thats that for him. instead they fed him bums and created a hype machine that probably would have went on for a lot longer if they hadnt miscalculated with that fury cherry pick.they thought fury was done as did most seeing him in such bad shape and looking so mediocre in his return. eventually im sure they would have fought someone legit or got caught by one of the bums they fought but what a wild ride it was. ultimately the blame lies with wilder because other pbc guys left to go to dazn and land big fights and he just didnt want to do it, although his "im loyal" spiel was really cringeworthy. these guys are businessmen, they have no loyalty. they used you up and profited off of you, then threw you away when you were no longer useful. he should have just went with the money and better fights

[TheOneAboveAll]

I've been reading, attending and writing boxing for half a century and meeting with fans, fighters, legends, promoters, managers, trainers, publicists and other fight people for all that time.
I have never read such BS crap in all my days as the OP's trash.
To see the people "liking" this unsubstantiated drivel reminds me of how ****** people can be, and why I always, always maintained a good administrative assistant in my profession to strain out the people wanting a word with me in my office.

Not enough time in life to attend to all the morons.

Sir, you know little or nothing about Deontay Wilder, his opponents relative to the other active heavyweights of his time, or the sport of Boxing.
Your motivation is almost certainly Racism, or Jealousy, or something equally perverted.

To all of you casual "like" fans visiting Boxing from professional wrestling, kung fu fantasy, MMGAIE, Comic books or whatever; shame on you for taking your cue from such a foolish imposter.

To be 100% clear, this is what it is, from a real expert - Me:

The current 10 year Era is wrapping up, now in it's late stage, some of the careers are winding down. The way that I see it having seen and known many of these warriors:

The Heavyweight Ratings of the Era 2015 - 2025. (As of June 2, 2024)


1. Tyson Fury
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Anthony Joshua
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Zhilei Zhang
6. Joseph Parker
7. Andy Ruiz Jr
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Daniel Dubois
10 Wladimir Klitschko (old)
11.Dillian Whyte
12.Joe Joyce
13.Agit Kabayel
14.Alexander Povetkin (old)
15.Jared Anderson
16.Filip Hrgovic
17.Jarrell Miller
18.Kubrat Pulev (old)
19.Charles Martin
20.Derrick Chisora
21.Martin Bakole
22.Fabio Wardley
23.Carlos Takam
24.Johann Duhaupas
25.Robert Helenius
26.Hughie Fury
27.Otto Wallin
28.Bryant Jennings
29.Frank Sanchez
30.Bermane Stiverne
31.Efe Ajagba
32.Chris Arreola (old)
33.Michael Hunter
34.Frazier Clarke
35.Bakhodir Jalolov
36.Tony Yoka
37.Murat Gassiev
38.Aleksandr Ustinov
39.Lucas Browne
40.Dominic Breazeale
41.Gerald Washington
42.Jermain Franklin
43.Lenier Pero
44.David Haye
45.Vyacheslav Glazkov
46.Ruslan Chagaev (old)
47.Mariusz Wach
48.Arslanbek Makhmudov
49.Johnathan Guidry
50.Francis Ngannou

You completed discredited your self-proclaimed expertise by placing Tyson Fury atop the list. Usyk has proven more in 4.5 years at HW than Fury has done in his entire career. Joseph Parker also has better wins than Wilder and Zhang (and cleanly beat both h2h). You're anything but a boxing expert no matter how much chest thumping you do.

[z3w7d9t1]

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