How many roid cycles has Fury done since the Ngannou fight?

[N/A]

If his position is he took PED's intentionally then yes I agree with you we don't know that for certain. But we don't know he didn't for certain either. All we know is that he had them in his system.

You can't test positive without the compound in yout system to that level is what I'm assuming he meant, which is true.

The entire point is did he intentionally used nandrolone, which is cheating or his natural nandrolone was raised because of wild boar. It is absurd if I have to explain the difference between cheating and unknowingly raising your levels when it comes to a similar situation.

That's not true. It's actually relatively easy to mask.

I don't intend to argue over it. Micro-dosing doesn't lead to adverse results. Masking it with another substance will make you test positive for the substance at least but sometimes it doesn't fully cover the drug, so you test positive for both.

My personal view of who gets caught and who doesn't is more likely corruption: if an agency wants to be sure you are clean, it is a matter of frequency of urine and blood testing. Those same agencies can cover your *ss also.

Positive tests from athletes who are using and masking are always running the risk when it comes to the timing of random tests, that could be what happened. Just because he tested positive for one fight and not others round it doesn't prove anything in regards to potential PED use.

"Just because someone didn't test positive for a fight doesn't prove anything in regards to potential PED use" is a dangerous narrative - you just approved to throw su****ions over everybody, as Atypicalbrit does with Usyk.

My opinon would be both Fury and Ngannou likely use some form of PED. In Fury's case we have the positive tests to have some kind of data, in Ngannou's, we don't. But I'd say likely both are. But that's just a guess.

I think Fury from 2015, the shape he was in then, probably PED use. I don't know though.

When someone tests positive, the question is always going to linger no matter what their excuse/reason is.

Ok, fair - it is an opinion and I am fine with that. You and the crimson guy see the below person as a regular PEDs user, but crimson, with all his intelligence, also sees Francis as a clean guy. I have my opinion on that, but will leave the "FACT" he does to speak for itself. Only a man of his capabilities can say "he was never cleared" - of course, nobody can make the nandrolone magically disappear, the point is UKADA concluded that Fury "have never knowingly or deliberately committed any anti-doping rule violation." Which is the most the agency can do to "clear" him.

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But I have to say that a person who doesn't get the story and why I mention the Klitschko fight can only continuously talk nonsense because that is the best he is capable of - I repeat: I explained how long nandrolone stays in your system, when Fury tested clean before and after the fight and when he didn't. Well, crimson is unable to sum 1+1. How fast nandrolone cleans out of your system when the intake is because of meat differs from when using it as a PED. This actually raises a different talk: if food can elevate your nandrolone, testosterone or whatever - is it cheating if you can prove it? It isn't a synthetic drug, it's food.

But let's simplify it for "simple" people because the nerves of crimson can't take it when there is a deeper look into the situation: Fury once tested positive for nandrolone. Did he recently test so - no. So why is that thread?

I made my point clear. I am leaving the incapable to struggle with it, he will at least get some relief by doing it.

[dan-b]

You've spent most of your time talking past one another. It's fascinating to observe and very common with internet interactions.

[CasperUK]

That may be true in a general sense, but my problem is specifically with Tyson Fury. I don't like the guy, I think he's been bad for boxing, and I'm looking forward to him and his grifting family being gone from boxing.

Fair play to Tyson Fury

He has rinsed the sport, the fans and the networks and everyone has kept coming back for more

A true hustler

People will just have to put up with it until someone comes along and beats him and he retires from the sport

[billeau2]

I'm guessing he did a TRT cycle in the build up to the February 17th date before the cut and possibly a weight cutting agent.

Definitely a weight cutting agent since the new date was scheduled, his face looks almost gaunt (as compared with his usual obese face). Another TRT cycle and maybe some other type of strength enhancer.

I will struggle to give him credit even if he does win at this point, just so much messing around for over a year now.

Still apparently would have a jam sandwich and a beer at least according to another thread lol.

[Gideon lock]

I'm guessing he did a TRT cycle in the build up to the February 17th date before the cut and possibly a weight cutting agent.

Definitely a weight cutting agent since the new date was scheduled, his face looks almost gaunt (as compared with his usual obese face). Another TRT cycle and maybe some other type of strength enhancer.

I will struggle to give him credit even if he does win at this point, just so much messing around for over a year now.

I thought the same thing regarding that gaunt look at the presser he done recently. Looks really haggard and just off. I dont know what cycle he's on if any. I think he just had an extended fat camp before the cut which also has given him more time to train once the weight was lost and fight rescheduled.

[Atypicalbrit]

I thought the same thing regarding that gaunt look at the presser he done recently. Looks really haggard and just off. I dont know what cycle he's on if any. I think he just had an extended fat camp before the cut which also has given him more time to train once the weight was lost and fight rescheduled.

I've been dieting since around a month before the Fury Ngannou fight as things got out of hand during covid and I let myself go.

I've gone from 219lbs to 177lbs.

That's 42lbs lost in about the same time as Fury has been training for Usyk.

Fury was 277.7lbs vs Ngannou, if he's lost the same amount of weight as me (which would be less weight proportionally) he would weigh 235lbs now. OBVIOUSLY he's nowhere near that weight and will be a minimum of 250lbs.

So basically, Fury, a full time athlete with a gym in in house, a full time nutritionist, a live in conditioning coach and nothing to do all day except train and recover, has lost HALF as much weight as me, Joe blogs off the street with a 9-5 job. who drags my ass to the gym 4 times a week and has just been calorie counting and doing some long walks.

He MUST be on steroids and clen

Lol.

[dan-b]

Fair play to Tyson Fury

He has rinsed the sport, the fans and the networks and everyone has kept coming back for more

A true hustler

People will just have to put up with it until someone comes along and beats him and he retires from the sport

Why is it 'fair play' to have 'rinsed' the sport and be a 'hustler'?

[CasperUK]

Why is it 'fair play' to have 'rinsed' the sport and be a 'hustler'?

Because he has done what many boxers dream of

Maximum return

Little resistance

[Gideon lock]

I've been dieting since around a month before the Fury Ngannou fight as things got out of hand during covid and I let myself go.

I've gone from 219lbs to 177lbs.

That's 42lbs lost in about the same time as Fury has been training for Usyk.

Fury was 277.7lbs vs Ngannou, if he's lost the same amount of weight as me (which would be less weight proportionally) he would weigh 235lbs now. OBVIOUSLY he's nowhere near that weight and will be a minimum of 250lbs.

So basically, Fury, a full time athlete with a gym in in house, a full time nutritionist, a live in conditioning coach and nothing to do all day except train and recover, has lost HALF as much weight as me, Joe blogs off the street with a 9-5 job. who drags my ass to the gym 4 times a week and has just been calorie counting and doing some long walks.

He MUST be on steroids and clen

Lol.

That's a good amount of weight lost, you've smashed it bud is that your target weight? I'm 175 on the nose.
I think fury lost his motivation to slim down after the wlad fight he hasn't been in that sort of shape since.

[IronDanHamza]

The entire point is did he intentionally used nandrolone, which is cheating or his natural nandrolone was raised because of wild boar. It is absurd if I have to explain the difference between cheating and unknowingly raising your levels when it comes to a similar situation.




I don't intend to argue over it. Micro-dosing doesn't lead to adverse results. Masking it with another substance will make you test positive for the substance at least but sometimes it doesn't fully cover the drug, so you test positive for both.

My personal view of who gets caught and who doesn't is more likely corruption: if an agency wants to be sure you are clean, it is a matter of frequency of urine and blood testing. Those same agencies can cover your *ss also.



"Just because someone didn't test positive for a fight doesn't prove anything in regards to potential PED use" is a dangerous narrative - you just approved to throw su****ions over everybody, as Atypicalbrit does with Usyk.




Ok, fair - it is an opinion and I am fine with that. You and the crimson guy see the below person as a regular PEDs user, but crimson, with all his intelligence, also sees Francis as a clean guy. I have my opinion on that, but will leave the "FACT" he does to speak for itself. Only a man of his capabilities can say "he was never cleared" - of course, nobody can make the nandrolone magically disappear, the point is UKADA concluded that Fury "have never knowingly or deliberately committed any anti-doping rule violation." Which is the most the agency can do to "clear" him.

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But I have to say that a person who doesn't get the story and why I mention the Klitschko fight can only continuously talk nonsense because that is the best he is capable of - I repeat: I explained how long nandrolone stays in your system, when Fury tested clean before and after the fight and when he didn't. Well, crimson is unable to sum 1+1. How fast nandrolone cleans out of your system when the intake is because of meat differs from when using it as a PED. This actually raises a different talk: if food can elevate your nandrolone, testosterone or whatever - is it cheating if you can prove it? It isn't a synthetic drug, it's food.

But let's simplify it for "simple" people because the nerves of crimson can't take it when there is a deeper look into the situation: Fury once tested positive for nandrolone. Did he recently test so - no. So why is that thread?

I made my point clear. I am leaving the incapable to struggle with it, he will at least get some relief by doing it.

I can’t respond separately so will have to do it in one go;

Well that’s the thing, we can’t say for sure if he intentionally used it or not. He may have, he may not have. We will never know the actual answer.

Microdosing absolutely can lead to to adverse results. I know multiple athletes personally who fell victim to that.

Masking agents won’t flag on a drug test, that’s the point. It’s mostly water, most of the time.

It’s not a dangerous narrative at all. If someone years positive for a PED on one date, and then doesn’t on another date, that doesn’t prove a single thing in regards to their potential drug use. That is just an objective fact. Most fighters who fail a random testing procedure pass the vast majority of them, look at Conor Benn, look at Canelo as two immediate examples, they passed all their tests barring two within weeks apart. That doesn’t prove anything. And the same applies for Fury, the fact he passed other drug tests is meaningless, it’s the one he failed which is the important one.

He didn’t make it “magically disappear”, if he was Intentionally using, there are plenty of methods used get PED’s in and out of your system in rapid time, that’s what most athletes do. The half life of the compound is irrelevant.

Well that’s the key there, you can’t prove it was due to food. And never will be able to. It might have been, it might not have been. There’s no way of knowing.

The long and short of it is Fury tested positive for a OED so that leaves a cloud of doubt at the very least. How it got in his system is unknown but what we do know is it was there. You can’t make the same claim for someone that hasn’t tested positive before.