Remember That One Time an MMA Fighter with 0 Boxing Experience Bashed the heavyweight champ???? LMFAO

[Atypicalbrit]

Ngannou had been fighting in MMA professionally for almost a decade when he won the title. Lost his first title shot largely due to his lack of wrestling skills, and used wrestling to win his last MMA fight. The evidence of his grappling ability could be seen in how Fury couldnt **** with him in the clinch too.

Adesanya was 7 years into his pro MMA career, and came from kickboxing meaning he had more MMA tools to begin with than a boxer does. Also just checking from the stats for his fights, in his title win over Gastelum for instance he had to defend against 9 takedowns, and 23 of his 119 landed strikes were kicks.

No "pure" boxer has anything more than a punchers chance against any MMA fighter good enough to be in say the top 10 or so promotions, they're just too one dimensional. Now if we are talking a boxer who also has a background in other stuff, or a boxer who takes some time to train for MMA? i'm sure plenty could cross over successfully.

The training time and taking it seriously is the key thing.

It goes the other way as well, Ngannou had an amateur bout vs Carlos Takam and was sparring Joyce last year, I think he spent the best part of 2 years preparing for a boxing match not 12 weeks.

Mcgregor just had one camp and we saw how that went, he'd have done better (still wouldn't have won) if he dedicated more time to it like Ngannou.

[YGriffith]

I remember one influencer with no fighting experience at all knocking out and outpointing MMA guys in boxing matches.

That's a boxer who is also an influencer, dont forget he also beat silva who beat Chavez, a former world champion.

He also defeated vitor who koed evander Holyfield.

If you wanna keep that he's an influencer bs, a legit pro couldn't do anything to that same influencer and got dropped by him, which makes Boxing an even bigger joke.

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Thats underselling him a little. He started training boxing around 2017/18. Add to that him being a juiced up athletic kid in his prime and that he gets to cherry pick his opponents and its hardly that shocking. Obviously the same could be done the other way round too ie some brat beating smaller 40 year old boxers in MMA.

That is my point: some people totally underestimate Francis like he started fighting yesterday and is clueless about boxing, while it's absolutely not true. But their aim is to shame Fury. He shames himself enough, no need to twist it.

Because you said juiced - why does no one comment on the fact Francis is 13 cm. shorter than Fury, but weight the same weight as him, only that he's shredded and muscled as a bull? But he's not on PEDs, right?

Again: the man on the left is supposedly on nandrolone. The man on the right is on spinach only, as Popeye:

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That's a boxer who is also an influencer, dont forget he also beat silva who beat Chavez, a former world champion.

He also defeated vitor who koed evander Holyfield.

If you wanna keep that he's an influencer bs, a legit pro couldn't do anything to that same influencer and got dropped by him, which makes Boxing an even bigger joke.

Just as Francis is an MMA fighter with quite enough experience whose first touch with fighting was boxing. But see my reply to TMLT87.

Boxing is a joke you say?

[TMLT87]

That is my point: some people totally underestimate Francis like he started fighting yesterday and is clueless about boxing, while it's absolutely not true.

Of course. He surpassed my expectations but even before that I thought he could probably take out a few top 30 level guys. Hes training boxing regularly as part of his sport and (at HW anyway) an elite MMA striker or kickboxer who is proper battle tested against other elite strikers could absolutely be better at pure boxing than some C/D level boxers. I heard people saying absolutely preposterous **** before the Fury fight like Ngannou wouldnt last 3 rounds with Dave Allen and couldnt win a UK regional title lol. You look at some of the guys hes faced in MMA, particularly Gane, Stipe, JDS, Reem, Lewis, Rozenstruik and Arlovski, and tbh there are plenty of boxers out there 15-20 fights in who have weaker resumes than that even judging those opponents in pure boxing terms.

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Of course. He surpassed my expectations but even before that I thought he could probably take out a few top 30 level guys. Hes training boxing regularly as part of his sport and (at HW anyway) an elite MMA striker or kickboxer who is proper battle tested against other elite strikers could absolutely be better at pure boxing than some C/D level boxers. I heard people saying absolutely preposterous **** before the Fury fight like Ngannou wouldnt last 3 rounds with Dave Allen and couldnt win a UK regional title lol. You look at some of the guys hes faced in MMA, particularly Gane, Stipe, JDS, Reem, Lewis, Rozenstruik and Arlovski, and tbh there are plenty of boxers out there 15-20 fights in who have weaker resumes than that even judging those opponents in pure boxing terms.

It is reasonable to assume an elite-level MMA fighter or kickboxer will perform quite well at pure boxing than some, as you say, "C/D level boxers" for many reasons, but the main one is keeping it on an elite level in either of those two requires just as much as being an elite boxer. In that sense, those athletes keep a high level of conditioning and technique, unlike the lower-class boxers.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Of course. He surpassed my expectations but even before that I thought he could probably take out a few top 30 level guys.

Ngannou's whole career has been a parade of exceeding expectations. Especially lately, and especially when it really sticks it to Dana White.

Just lately, here's a few:

1. we've got the UFC trying to feed him to Ciryl Gane for the last fight on his contract. Gane was supposed to be the next big thing, and Ngannou had an injured knee, and knew they'd strip him if he turned the fight down. Gane opened as -160 favorite. Ngannou used wrestling of all things, on a bum knee, to defeat the pretender.
2. After he waited out his contract, he turned down a UFC high contract and signed with PFL. Everyone said he'd "fumbled the bag" until the details came out. Then everyone wished they could "fumble the bag" that badly.

Then of course there's 3. The Fury fight. He's now arguably one of the most talked about names in all of combat sports.

Follow that up with the PFL's acquisition of Bellator, which is going to make them a huge force. If he defeats Bellator champ Ryan Bader, which seems likely, then perhaps Chatri will want to do a cross promotion vs double champ Makykhin. If he wins that, having gone out as champ at UFC, he'll be rightfully seen as the first real MMA champ of the world even without fighting cheater Jones. Add to that some possibilities for more success in boxing, and he's got a veritable cornucopia of super fights awaiting. Not too shabby for a guy who's been doubted for his whole career.

[Stab Master Arson]

they both out of prime, it doesn't matter.



Couture was older than Toney.


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MMA legend BJ Penn was KO'd by a fat, shirtless drunk on video. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that MMA is a complete joke.

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MMA legend BJ Penn was KO'd by a fat, shirtless drunk on video. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that MMA is a complete joke.

yet an MMA fighter KOed Evander Holyfield in 10 seconds LMFAO




once gain, washed fighters do not count. only current champs count in this context. Tyson Fury is the defending HW champ you morons.

[Stab Master Arson]

yet an MMA fighter KOed Evander Holyfield in 10 seconds LMFAO




once gain, washed fighters do not count. only current champs count in this context. Tyson Fury is the defending HW champ you morons.

You don't seem to like the taste of your own medicine there, champ. The result of one fight defines a sport. Your rules. Live with it.

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You don't seem to like the taste of your own medicine there, champ. The result of one fight defines a sport. Your rules. Live with it.

ur too low iq to grasp the contest.



has a boxer beat up a prime defending UFC champ under MMA rules? I'll wait you dumb ass.