This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

[hugh grant]

I don't know who's best of era. There's no 4 kings as they've not fought each other.
The winner of fury v wilder should fight usyk v josh winner. But we've only had semi finals with no final?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Bit of a ****** system

However it’s true that his “great” resume isn’t really that spectacular

Let’s take it from when he stepped up to world title level. He has beaten Charles Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Takam. All C level fighters.

Povetkin and Pulev were both nearly 40, well past their best, never won real world titles and had only real fought at a high level once and lost.

what are you left with? Parker? Well he was a poor champion, arguably lost to Hughie Fury and his short title reign was poor performances against the likes of Cojanu.

Andy Ruiz has been a B level
fighter at best all his career apart from one night. AJ should be embarrassed it took 2 attempts to beat him, and even that was partly because Ruiz didn’t train so AJ ran around the ring.

Then you have a Wlad, a life and death fight with a 41 year old that had been schooled by Fury 18 months earlier. So his best win is a Fury leftover.

then finally Usyk who schooled him.

So although he has a lot of recognisable names, he’s never beaten any long reigning champs for any belts. He has some solid wins but he is a product of good matchmaking to get the best names past their best.

Wilder’s resume is only missing a few old faded names and it would be similar.

I’ll take quality over quantity. Fury has beaten proper long reigning champs for belts. Fought eliminator after eliminator just to get Wlad in the ring when he was the dominant man in the division. He wasn’t bought title shots like AJ had with the likes of Martin.

Listen DeathoftheClown, deep down you know? You are only saying the things you are saying because you are a hardcore Fury fan.

You discredit all these fighters that Joshua has beaten, but did you read that? Anthony Joshua has beaten them, not Tyson Fury 'And that is why deep down you are discrediting them'.

Somebody could go through Tyson Fury's resume, and completely obliterate it 'Using the same kind of tactics you are employing here in this thread'.

In fact do you ever watch those oxford Union debates? If I was given time to prepare, the debate was Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury's resume.

I honestly think I could take you apart or anybody else who was defending Tyson Fury. That's if Anthony Joshua beats Usyk, only then will I claim that Anthony Joshua has a better overall resume than Tyson Fury.

You quickly wash over the Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua fight. It is the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years. Kiltschko went through 3 back to back training camps coming into that fight, and by his own words? He was in best condition ever, which to me means he was for sure in better condition than the Fury fight. I have posted the statistics, Kiltschko was 240 pounds vs Joshua vs 245 pounds vs Fury.

Anthony Joshua knocked Kiltschko out. Fury hardly hurt him, plus was backed up all night 'Far from a masterclass, he kind of stole the fight on Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury is retiring anyway, after beating a fighter Joshua ****** out many years ago when he could actually move. Also Anthony Joshua's next fight is against pound for pound one of the best fighters in the game, a momentous task.

If Anthony Joshua beats Usyk, it is the greatest heavyweight win of the past 20 years. Joshua would of also then avenged two loses, and beaten every single man he has ever faced. All of this is only 1 fight away, 1 fight away from greatness.

Anthony Joshua in my opinion mate, should not even be in this debate. I should not be quoting you, contesting that he has a better resume than Fury. Because Tyson Fury has all the natural ability, to take on all comers even at this stage of his career 'And hit these other heavyweights out of the park, in terms of resume statistics'.

But that is not happening Deathoftheclown, because your boy is a great fighter 'But poor champion'. And due to this, I can envision other fighters overtaking him.

[daggum]

joshuas resume is a lot better than wilders. both guys are overrated but its pretty clear joshua is well above wilder. some people seem to rank wilder highly based on a robbery draw against fury when fury wasnt even good(the wallin fight proved that)

if you are talking about quality wins

wilder has stirverne ranked #2, ortiz ranked #5, ortiz rematch ranked #6

joshua has klitschko ranked #1, povetkin #3, ruiz #3, parker #3, whyte #4 after losing to joshua, pulev #10, martin #10

also the criticism of joshua facing old guys like klitschko and povetkin also applies to wilder, his only notable wins were guys nearing 40. joshua has prime guys like whyte, parker, ruiz, etc...wilder has no one good in their prime.

[Toffee]

I mean, you did 16 opponents for Wilder and 15 for Joshua. You gave Wilder full points for Fury I. You gave him bonus points for the sheer number of can drivers he fought without stepping up.

I think if you corrected these things, then Joshua comes out on top.

What should really make you understand that this doesn't stack up, is that if you did it for Fury - he wouldn't be in first place!

You've just made an argument for Joshua being the number one fighter of his era, which I don't think was your intention!

10/10 for effort, but you did a less sophisticated version of what BoxRec already does.

[Dakuwaqa]

Listen DeathoftheClown, deep down you know? You are only saying the things you are saying because you are a hardcore Fury.

You discredit all these fighters that Joshua has beaten, but did you read that? Anthony Joshua has beaten them, not Tyson Fury 'And that is why deep down you are discrediting them'.

Somebody could go through Tyson Fury's resume, and completely obliterate it 'Using the same kind of tactics you are employing here in this thread'.

In fact do you ever watch those oxford Union debates? If I was given time to prepare, the debate was Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury's resume.

I honestly think I could take you apart or anybody else who was defending Tyson Fury. That's if Anthony Joshua beats Usyk, only then will I claim that Anthony Joshua has a better overall resume than Tyson Fury.

You quickly wash over the Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua fight. It is the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years. Kiltschko went through 3 back to back training camps coming into that fight, and by his own words? He was in best condition ever, which to me means he was for sure in better condition than the Fury fight. I have posted the statistics, Kiltschko was 240 pounds vs Joshua vs 245 pounds vs Fury.

Anthony Joshua knocked out Kiltschko. Fury hardly hurt him, plus was backed up all night 'Far from a masterclass, he can of stole the fight on Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury is retiring anyway, after beating a fighter Joshua ****** out many years ago when he could actually move. Also Anthony Joshua's next fight is against pound for pound one of the best fighters in the game, a momentous task.

If Anthony Joshua beats Usyk, it is the greatest heavyweight win of the past 20 years. Joshua would of also then avenged two loses, and beaten every single man he has ever faced. All of this is only 1 fight away, 1 fight away from greatness.

Anthony Joshua in my opinion mate, should not even be in this debate. I should not be quoting you, contesting that he has a better resume than Fury. Because Tyson Fury has all the natural ability, to take on all comers even at this stage of his career 'And it these other heavyweights out of the park, in terms of resume statistics'.

But that is not happening Deathoftheclown, because your boy is a great fighter 'But poor champion'. And due to this, I can envision other fighters overtaking him.

You have such a peculiar way of writing!

[kafkod]

Completely agree. There were 3 top Heavyweights, 2 have fought 3 times, the other has fought neither. Do the math.

And now there are still 3 top heavyweights. 2 of them have fought each other and are about to fight each other again. The other hasn't fought either of them.

[Willow The Wisp]

It goes by the refs count though

If the ref counted slower or faster, Fury would’ve still waited until there was time to get up, he was just going by the refs count

Fury has already said he was ok and didn’t get up straight away just to make sure he was ok when he did, so he had his wits about him, considering he won the rest of the round.

So the real time clock or refs count is really irrelevant , Fury was ok and just followed the refs count. If the count was faster, he would’ve still got up.

That's true. All true, and I wouldn't want to rob Tyson Fury of that amazing, historically unmatched zombie reannimation get-up in a ****** post. But Credit to Wilder for putting the best fighter of his era (if they suddenly eliminated weight divisions) on the canvas Four Times!!!

[Willow The Wisp]

We don't see as many Fury bashers as we used to. That's what happens when you have unbroken success and start to clear out the field.

We see more Wilder critics than we used to see, naturally, but most fans acknowledge that 2 of his 3 fights with Fury were classic, and one was a DRAW. But with A.J., if seems like everybody is a critic nowadays, which stands to reason.

The few fans, mostly British, who still hold to the idea that the tarnished titleholder Anthony Joshua is in the same class as Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder are resilient and loyal - and we have to respect that.
He can turn things around starting this summer. But for now, the reality is this:

So we mostly all agree that in the post Klitschko era, Tyson Fury is the proven premium heavyweight under the MOQ rules of unarmed combat. So that shows evidence that we live in the same world, a start. Now I possess no vested interest in changing anybody's mind about anything. But there is a component of justice in giving credit to those whose labors have earned it. I say that in the period of 2016 - 2022, the 6 year block representing the "Post Klitschko era", that diectly behind Fury, ranks Deontay Wilder. I base this on these facts:

A stellar record of 42-2-1 with 41 KOs.
The highest KO percentage of any title claimant in modern history.
Having stopped or knocked down multiple times every single opponent ever faced.
10 successful title defenses of his WBC World title, an amount behind only Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko in defenses of a major heavyweight title belt.
A quality of opposition in title fights very close to that of Joshua, if not just as good. (We can argue, but it's just splitting hairs).
The fact that Fury has built his reputation as his era's leader by winning the attrition established Lineal title from an aging Klitschko, and moreso, by beating counterpart champion Wilder in 2 of a best of three series. While Joshua sat it out.
And mostly, I base my #2 pick on the FACT that To date, Deontay Wilder does NOT go around losing one sided fights to the likes of Andy Ruiz Jr and Oleksandr Usyk!!!!! Ever...ever!!!!!!

What have you got???????? If not Wilder whos is YOUR #2??????? Prove it!!!

[hugh grant]

We don't know who best of era is when nobody fought each other yet. Once fury beats usyk/josh winner then We will know who's 1,2,3 and 4.

[Willow The Wisp]

Thats some of the dumbest **** Ive ever seen. Joshua is head an shoulders above Wilder as afar as resume. Wilder was a one trick pony that was exposed three fights in a row. Joshua may never be anything more than what he is now but what he is and was is a unified champion with better opposition than Wilder. Wilder never faced the class Josh did, get over it.

You're just wrong. The facts don't support your feelings. The facts are right there to educate you. Learn.