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I guess it's obvious why Ike wants to fight. I know he's done wrong but I wouldn't begrudge him earning some money.

It's just a shame that I can't possibly help him out by supporting this. Boxing is treading a very dangerous path at the moment. There's going be a terrible tragedy at some...

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Eye test doesn't always stand up. Even hand speed can be deceptive when guys are fighting at a lower level.

He's definitely got something, but you never really know until the level gets stepped up.

Personally I think Whyte is a really good yardstick for where he's at. And...

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Agree. Though the one that stylistically might have given them a problem was the guy Tyson beat most easily - Spinks....

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I'm not convinced it's a worse era. But the fact is that AJ and Fury will be well regarded for their achievements across a decade+.

What would be Tyson's equivalent rivals? Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis? He fought 2 of them and lost 3 times, once in disgrace....

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Usyk beat fighters who were not only titlists and highly ranked at the time he fought them, he beat guys who will rank in the top 5 of the era in which he fought them. The only thing impacting Usyk's record at heavyweight is lack of quantity, but the quality is there.

I'm not sure Tyson...

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He was awesome at the time. My hero as a kid. My kids now can't believe there was a time when the Heavyweight Champion was amongst the most famous people in the world. There hasn't been anyone like him since.

But we can't deny he came through in a very weak era and even then his time at...

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But no-one is rating AJ and Fury over Tyson?...

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It's a good list and that's why he's justifiably rated quite highly.

But it's not a list that should put him anywhere near the ATG list....

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AJ 'ducked' for mandatories. Dubois 'ducked' to fight the best fighter in the world.

Fury befriended Parker back when he was no longer being talked about as a top level opponent.

No ducks there. Just no-one needing Parker as an opponent.

Joshua could probably do...

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What happened to the Allen/Wilder fight.

I'll take Dave to win this one. He's a boxer - Big Mak is just a big boy.

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He won't duck Parker. It's completely the wrong use of the word.

I can well see him choosing not to fight him because no-one will put up decent money for the fight and he has better options.

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Very interesting daggum.

As these guys' careers draw to a close we'll stop considering who was the best at any point in time and just reflect on the era. I think the above is pretty close to the mark....

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He had 5 fights against guys on that list. He managed one draw and five defeats. And the draw was universally recognised as being fortunate.

I don't know how people can still claim his prime was impressive, when his prime had to be before he started facing legitimate competition....

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If AJ does this then he's a social media boxer and finished as a real boxer. It would be a disgrace to put them in the ring together.

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We were all desperate for an Undisputed champion. And for the best fighters to fight each other and stop protecting their 0.

The promoters got slated for not making it happen. Then Turki came along and changed everything. We got a whole bunch of risky fights and we got an Undisputed champion....