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Interesting watching this interview and seeing the difference in what he said compared to how it was presented in the article.

He wasn't talking about Whyte and Joshua, while acknowledging that Wilder has a puncher's chance.

He was specifically talking about how Wilder can...

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He's got plenty of heart. He's been hit by some big men and come back.

The question is whether he's got enough aggression, but I think that's a style of his choosing.

We'll see in the rematch.

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I don't think you can claim that the guys on his CV define the era.

He was having his way with a specially selected diet of C Grade PBC opponents....

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Agree.

I'd dispute your assessment of Ortiz though. It seems to me that he was very carefully managed solely to be fed to Wilder.

Which leaves no-one credible on his CV. He was an amazing promotion job to get a US heavyweight champion.

And I don't think he beats...

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Makes perfect sense. Pretty much everybody outboxes Wilder, but he always has a decent puncher's chance.

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Style Loma. I'm not sure we've seen a Heavyweight put forward that kind of display in a massive title fight though. It was a bit more special than it's being given credit for on here. He was almost perfect.

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I won't worry about all time, as they're all still active. Nor is it about who I think is better.

I think the below is the right ranking as of right now:

1. Fury
2. Usyk
3. Joshua
4. Wilder
5. Whyte
Usyk and Joshua could swap in their rematch...

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Fascinating stuff from Breland. Though I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in between his and Wilder's versions, it does point to a broken culture in Team Wilder.

I don't think it reflects well on Breland that he continued in that environment.

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All opinion. There are multiple versions of the lineage. Ultimately pretty much everyone accepts and agrees on certain key points in history when it was resolved.

For the current period I still have it as unresolved.

• I don't debate Wlad earned it.
• I don't debate Fury won it from Wlad.
• I

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Good point

3 inches. I meant inches....

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You can have whatever opinion you want about towels. Not relevant to any kind of boxing discussion though....

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Generally... weights should be part, but not a huge part of a boxer's training. It's about gaining muscle mass and a boxer would instead be better fighting at a more natural healthy weight for them.

But it's a hard call when it comes to a naturally skinny guy like Wilder. I'm guessing his...

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It will happen again because there's money in it.

He was very carefully managed to the title. Rate him or not (I don't) but his one trick was pretty good. They just had to match him very carefully. Even his best win was built up specifically for him.

It will happen again, and...

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In a sporting sense I'm pleased to see him not making excuses.

From a theatre point of view, it's disappointing. Wilder's zany stuff was entertaining.
If Wilder isn't deluded any more then he's just a big man with below average boxing skills. And no-one cares about that type of...

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Speed, coordination, stamina does change with size. That's why the 'P4P' number one isn't usually a Heavyweight.

Scaling up a highly skilled fighter doesn't make a highly skilled heavyweight. It makes a heavyweight.

It's as legitimate as asking if a scaled up spider could beat...

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What? Two men of equal ability fight and you reckon the smaller guy wins? Countless times?

Nah. You're wrong. Or just deluded....

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Great fight. Lots of fun. Yada Yada.

The fight that saved boxing was also the one that highlighted all that is bad about boxing.

We could have had a handful of great fights while we were waiting for this ****show to be finished.

It wasn't the biggest fight in boxing....

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Let's put Canelo in with AJ then....

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But he's not....

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Rematch clauses are always possible. Can we stop pretending it's some Matchroom issue.

Usyk didn't need to accept one, he was a mandatory. Joshua couldn't insist on a rematch. It was Usyk who accepted a rematch clause. Want to blame someone? Blame Usyk. He's the one who sold that clause....