This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

[QueensburyRules]

You know you did something right when people cry so vehemently.

It's really as simple as Joshua needs to fight Fury or Wilder.

- - They ducked AJ multi x in spite record purse offers.

All the dozen or more AJ duckers can go rent a motel room for live streaming action as far as any relevance to their historical ratings.

[Nash out]

- - They ducked AJ multi x in spite record purse offers.

All the dozen or more AJ duckers can go rent a motel room for live streaming action as far as any relevance to their historical ratings.

Queen, Wilder knocks out Joshua with ease. Consider this a lesson, your mentor, the Great Nash. Nash out.

[REDEEMER]

This is the first intelligent response to these carefully laid out facts. The others all came from silly, simple people who have opinions, have a right to their opinions, but are not equipped to parse information and dirive reasonable conclusions. You are born with certain abilities or you're not. That's insulting to them, and I'm sorry for that. But the thread is NOT about Opinions, It's strictly about gathering, presenting and delicately presenting empirical Facts. Laid out so that there is no need for Debate. This is Not a debate, its a curriculum. You either drink and know more, or you don't.

Wilder never fought either Klitschkos Usyk or A.J .

Whoever gets undisputed will be crowned the best of this era and Wilder was never even close to that .

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You know you did something right when people cry so vehemently.

It's really as simple as Joshua needs to fight Fury or Wilder.

Completely agree. There were 3 top Heavyweights, 2 have fought 3 times, the other has fought neither. Do the math.

[creekrat77]

Did Bermain being diagnosed with rhabdomyolysis not factor in? Or Malik taking a dive you also forgot to mention Wilder has a W over Povetkin in the courtroom.
It's ashame Wilder is such a stubborn, untrainable, jack@zz because he has shown to have incredible durability, power and yes chin. If he had the mentality of Marciano or Frazier, maybe he'd be unbeatable.

[deathofaclown]

Bit of a ****** system

However it’s true that his “great” resume isn’t really that spectacular

Let’s take it from when he stepped up to world title level. He has beaten Charles Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Takam. All C level fighters.

Povetkin and Pulev were both nearly 40, well past their best, never won real world titles and had only real fought at a high level once and lost.

what are you left with? Parker? Well he was a poor champion, arguably lost to Hughie Fury and his short title reign was poor performances against the likes of Cojanu.

Andy Ruiz has been a B level
fighter at best all his career apart from one night. AJ should be embarrassed it took 2 attempts to beat him, and even that was partly because Ruiz didn’t train so AJ ran around the ring.

Then you have a Wlad, a life and death fight with a 41 year old that had been schooled by Fury 18 months earlier. So his best win is a Fury leftover.

then finally Usyk who schooled him.

So although he has a lot of recognisable names, he’s never beaten any long reigning champs for any belts. He has some solid wins but he is a product of good matchmaking to get the best names past their best.

Wilder’s resume is only missing a few old faded names and it would be similar.

I’ll take quality over quantity. Fury has beaten proper long reigning champs for belts. Fought eliminator after eliminator just to get Wlad in the ring when he was the dominant man in the division. He wasn’t bought title shots like AJ had with the likes of Martin.

[Willow The Wisp]

Completely agree. There were 3 top Heavyweights, 2 have fought 3 times, the other has fought neither. Do the math.

True 100% The Story of the era. And the REASON that Joshua Never got to dance with the big boys with whom he shared the era, is because he kepts LOSING to lesser fighters like Sub-top 10 ranked Ruiz Jr. And Squeaked by Chisora Usyk, who Joshua should blow away easy, given what's been happening in Usyk's life.

[Marchegiano]

This is the first intelligent response to these carefully laid out facts. The others all came from silly, simple people who have opinions, have a right to their opinions, but are not equipped to parse information and dirive reasonable conclusions. You are born with certain abilities or you're not. That's insulting to them, and I'm sorry for that. But the thread is NOT about Opinions, It's strictly about gathering, presenting and delicately presenting empirical Facts. Laid out so that there is no need for Debate. This is Not a debate, its a curriculum. You either drink and know more, or you don't.

Personally, I think it's sad they look at clear work done and an attempt at objectivity and call it ******. That was ****ty of a lot of these dudes. One of the few threads with any depth here that left me with very little to say.

That said, criteria tends to change per situation. These *******s don't really believe in anything and that is even sadder.

[Apollo7]

; Remember..........................Facts don't care about your feelings.
What you're reading now, is nothing but the facts.

Firstly it's actually not facts. It's just your opinion on how each fighter is rated and how a resume should be measured.

As for critiquing your points system, one thing I'm not so sure about the bonus points you have awarded for the lesser opponents. I would also query the fact that you gave Wilder 10 points for a (gift) draw. Surely wins should be worth more than draws? I'm also not sure I agree with the points you have taken off the fighters for their losses. For example Wilder was stopped against Fury twice yet only lost 6 and 7 points whereas Joshua is deducted 8 points for losing via decision.

Lastly, most people would say Joshua has a better resume than Wilder and Usyk beat Joshua so you could conceivable say Usyk is #2. Overall I'd say this means Wilder definitely isn't a solid #2. Arguably #2 but far from solid. I know this place is for debating but these guys need to actually fight each other to establish a pecking order because at this point there's not enough separating them.

[Marchegiano]

- - They ducked AJ multi x in spite record purse offers.

All the dozen or more AJ duckers can go rent a motel room for live streaming action as far as any relevance to their historical ratings.

I think it's funny when folks are loose with the term for one character then very strict for another.

I don't actually give a ****. It's not Wilder or Fury's job to make sure Joshua gets good fights he is respected for. That'd be Team Joshua. They need to snag Wilder or Fury. Don't need to be businessmen and maximize their earnings. Worry about glory and it comes. Worry about money and you're rich. They're not the same thing. It's Joshua's legacy that's effected by Joshua not ever managing a fight with Wilder or Fury.