This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

[hugh grant]

You are correct. I agree. Losses to Ruiz And Usyk are damming losses, something that neither Fury (Still undefeated) and Wilder (4 Knockdowns and a Draw against Fury) have never suffered.
Fury and Wilder have done the business, but A.J., unfortunately could not join them, as he keeps losing terribly to Big, Big Underdogs!

Not sure why people are struggling with this so much - Its VERY CLEAR.

Yes fury needs to see if he can beat underdog usyk. If he does he's best of era

[billeau2]

It's true. Very few boxing fans know much about the sport.

What people miss is that the "points" give a way for one to have some structure to the argument. Instead they focus and assume the points are a way for you to push an agenda. It goes over pointy heads like War room when you say things like "both men are talented" while establishing some objective sort of way to suss out the relative competition.

I don't know how I feel about specifics regarding the relative competition Joshua has faced versus Wilder. I think if people cooperated and gave input perhaps some things could be established regarding such... but ain't happening because in this section fighters are put on arbitrary lists that govern how they are spoken of. These lists do change lol... For a while there Whyte was a horrible individual and fighter, then he became a KO threat to all! Martin was also considered a big strong tyro ready to make his mark.... which is ridiculous as anyone who has knowledge of the sport and actually watched Martin fight... could tell you.

Right now? Areola despite looking absolutely fantastic his last time out is "shot" according to the Sheeple review. And Ortiz? you would think he lost half his fights lol... He's been shot for years now according to Sheeple Rec, a subsidiary of Box Rec.

You must have also missed the latest news where Joshua explained why he lost to usyk! He didn't want to hurt people... and he thought he was winning the fight. You cannot make this shiat up.

[REDEEMER]

What people miss is that the "points" give a way for one to have some structure to the argument. Instead they focus and assume the points are a way for you to push an agenda. It goes over pointy heads like War room when you say things like "both men are talented" while establishing some objective sort of way to suss out the relative competition.

I don't know how I feel about specifics regarding the relative competition Joshua has faced versus Wilder. I think if people cooperated and gave input perhaps some things could be established regarding such... but ain't happening because in this section fighters are put on arbitrary lists that govern how they are spoken of. These lists do change lol... For a while there Whyte was a horrible individual and fighter, then he became a KO threat to all! Martin was also considered a big strong tyro ready to make his mark.... which is ridiculous as anyone who has knowledge of the sport and actually watched Martin fight... could tell you.

Right now? Areola despite looking absolutely fantastic his last time out is "shot" according to the Sheeple review. And Ortiz? you would think he lost half his fights lol... He's been shot for years now according to Sheeple Rec, a subsidiary of Box Rec.

You must have also missed the latest news where Joshua explained why he lost to usyk! He didn't want to hurt people... and he thought he was winning the fight. You cannot make this shiat up.

This guy gave Wilder an extra fight to tack on points ? Like he didn’t think we’d notice and can’t count past a certain number . Not even his own point system he tailored worked out so that’s why he did that ,and it still is nonsense anyway and why he won’t do a fight by fight title list because he knows what that will look like .

[billeau2]

This guy gave Wilder an extra fight to tack on points ? Like he didn’t think we’d notice and can’t count past a certain number . Not even his own point system he tailored worked out so that’s why he did that ,and it still is nonsense anyway and why he won’t do a fight by fight title list because he knows what that will look like .

Why not come up with a different total (points), or a different way to evaluate the competition? Its an attempt to look at competition in a way that is impersonal. That is a noble objective. It is ridiculous how people have opinions that are not based on anything concrete. For example: saying Chris Areola is shot when in fact, against Ruiz, the two of them threw more punches than most heavyweight fights in history.

There is no reason to castigate the guy. Weigh in if you think something is off...

[REDEEMER]

Why not come up with a different total (points), or a different way to evaluate the competition? Its an attempt to look at competition in a way that is impersonal. That is a noble objective. It is ridiculous how people have opinions that are not based on anything concrete. For example: saying Chris Areola is shot when in fact, against Ruiz, the two of them threw more punches than most heavyweight fights in history.

There is no reason to castigate the guy. Weigh in if you think something is off...

When Wilder fought Arreola and Washington A.J was fighting Klitschko.

There’s not much brain work needed to see who fought better fights right there ?

Numbers systems don’t work it’s when you fight a fighter that matters more ,anyone can put a number and make it look the same but that’s what a car salesman does .


If people bring up Klitschko loss should be careful and examine Wilders resume very carefully because it won’t go so good . A.J number of top 10 guys , undefeated fighters , power punchers , proven top guys , and unified title fights in fact A.J went onto unify more titles with Parker while Wilder fought Stiverne out of boxing 2 years ?

There’s simply no numbers system that would show Wilder having fought the better fighters it’s just whacky trying to do so .

Even if or when A.J defeats Usyk this poster will still say Wilder is the second best he’s to far out there to see any reasoning I could see it a Mile away and please go watch Joyce vs Yoka Olympic fight and tell me Yoka legitimately won that ? And you’ll see how misconstrued his eyesight is that had to be one of the bigger robberies so much it was almost just recently over turned .

[Willow The Wisp]

*********** Reading All That. And points, where did you get points from lol?

Wilder fought 38 bums in a row, that's the truth.

That refusing to read and learn, how's that working out for you?

[Willow The Wisp]

When Wilder fought Arreola and Washington A.J was fighting Klitschko.

There’s not much brain work needed to see who fought better fights right there ?

Numbers systems don’t work it’s when you fight a fighter that matters more ,anyone can put a number and make it look the same but that’s what a car salesman does .


If people bring up Klitschko loss should be careful and examine Wilders resume very carefully because it won’t go so good . A.J number of top 10 guys , undefeated fighters , power punchers , proven top guys , and unified title fights in fact A.J went onto unify more titles with Parker while Wilder fought Stiverne out of boxing 2 years ?

There’s simply no numbers system that would show Wilder having fought the better fighters it’s just whacky trying to do so .

Even if or when A.J defeats Usyk this poster will still say Wilder is the second best he’s to far out there to see any reasoning I could see it a Mile away and please go watch Joyce vs Yoka Olympic fight and tell me Yoka legitimately won that ? And you’ll see how misconstrued his eyesight is that had to be one of the bigger robberies so much it was almost just recently over turned .

It's starting to feel like I'm picking on someone who's not equi...well, forget it. You're entitled to be who you are, think what you think and make the best use of what nature has given you. We all are. My tip is Don't ignore numbers and evidence as you go through life.
Joyce is doing great. I'm happy he overcame Dubois because he's much older and DDDs time can come after Joyce. Note that Yoka won the Gold, and in fact beat Joyce twice in the amateurs, in 2015 and in 2916, and he beat Joseph Parker as well. Of course, Yoka had some rebuilding to do.
Stay cool .

[Willow The Wisp]

I don't know who's best of era. There's no 4 kings as they've not fought each other.
The winner of fury v wilder should fight usyk v josh winner. But we've only had semi finals with no final?

Agree. I hope we get that, followed by a Wilder-Joshua match up.

[billeau2]

When Wilder fought Arreola and Washington A.J was fighting Klitschko.

There’s not much brain work needed to see who fought better fights right there ?

Numbers systems don’t work it’s when you fight a fighter that matters more ,anyone can put a number and make it look the same but that’s what a car salesman does .


If people bring up Klitschko loss should be careful and examine Wilders resume very carefully because it won’t go so good . A.J number of top 10 guys , undefeated fighters , power punchers , proven top guys , and unified title fights in fact A.J went onto unify more titles with Parker while Wilder fought Stiverne out of boxing 2 years ?

There’s simply no numbers system that would show Wilder having fought the better fighters it’s just whacky trying to do so .

Even if or when A.J defeats Usyk this poster will still say Wilder is the second best he’s to far out there to see any reasoning I could see it a Mile away and please go watch Joyce vs Yoka Olympic fight and tell me Yoka legitimately won that ? And you’ll see how misconstrued his eyesight is that had to be one of the bigger robberies so much it was almost just recently over turned .

The idea is to examine both resumes very carefully. And to look at all the fighters both guys fought, not simply one slice of time where one guy fought a better fighter that day.

Undefeated, titles. top ten are all relative... Undefeated compared to what competition? titles when there were multiple titles? Top ten of what? All of these are unanchored measures with nothing of any substance to ground them objectively. There should be some emphatic way to compare a fighter like Pulov, his age, etc to a fighter like Stiverne.

Its not a matter of what one person thinks, its a matter of having a sense of objectivity concerning the quality of opposition for all the top heavyweight guys. Its not an attack on AJ lol. If people think it is unwarranted then make a better way but the problem will always be excuses people make and other recriminations. Again, not even picking sides here.

If i say, "Ortiz should be considered better because Wilder got lucky on that punch the second fight" You see a problem with that? How does that help establish a meaningful way to distinguish the relative quality of opposition compared to other such comments?

[War Room]

That refusing to read and learn, how's that working out for you?

I know that Wilder is the biggest scam in boxing history. 38 bums in a row cannot be refuted. On a scale of 1-10 (One is a terrible fighter/Ten Is Hall of fame-prime of career level Champion) is a subjective scale and can easily be manipulated which is exactly what you did. Wilder sucks, he couldn't even knock out Charlie Zelenoff!