This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

[billeau2]

Best wins would determine where one ranks . You know this you use it in the history section all the time that’s just foolishness now you guys are doing ,I get he’s your buddy but you guys are just talking in circles now . You keep saying enlighten you when you haven’t addressed one legit point I made about his ranking system which again is nonsense, imagine if I used Holmes win over Ali in an argument placing him in some type of order as the greatest heavyweight ? So when you say it doesn’t matter when someone defeats a fighter you know that’s a lie I’m not sure why your doing it now .


When has Klitschko lost a second fight back to back or lost against the same guy are you also ignoring Peter Fury said Tyson needs to be better in the rematch he never took ? No you’ll ignore that as well because it shows it’s very important when you fight a fighter at his best or more prepare the next time . It wouldn’t actually matter Klitschko is both Fury and A.J best win the different is one fought the worst title fight in history and the other got the stoppage . One was also suspected of ped use but that’s swept under the rug as well .


You are also circling around A.J opponents . His best wins are Klitschko, Povetkin, Parker ,Whyte Pulev , Ruiz …all,of who, would be considered Wilders best wins and he hasn’t fought any of them and 3 of them haven’t lost a fight since Joshua ,it would probably be 4 if Klitschko was still boxing so mixing up prime opponents doesn’t work either in Joshua’s case his best win isn’t Ortiz .

My last response here is can you tell me how that is not better then Wilders resume ?

We are talking in circles... You do it your way more power to you.

[QueensburyRules]

Thanks for getting it. It shouldn't be this hard to grasp the concept of objective examination of evidence, but the bigger picture matters much more than a debate and if it weren't for simple folks we'd have nobody to perform the simple tasks that help keep the world humming. Discussions however, are usually pretty fruitless.
Not trying to sound arrogant, though I do; just telling it like it actually is.

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[Andrew_red]

I believe your "Solid No. 1" should take a Usyk/Joshua winner fight to become even more solid

[kafkod]

2 40 year olds?

Both younger than Ortiz, Wilder's best win.

[kafkod]

Fury and Usyk, in whichever order you like, are clearly 1 and 2 in the HW division.

[REDEEMER]

Fury and Usyk, in whichever order you like, are clearly 1 and 2 in the HW division.

I wonder where Usyk would rate using his point system ?

[REDEEMER]

Thats allot of writing. You are committed to your ideas and I respect that. All fighers below a certain level are lumped togeter, and modest points are given refecting their sheer number (as you can read). Wilder ends up with one more qualified opponent than AJ does, which stands to reason given that Deontay Wildet has so many more total fights. The quality of each respective opponent is reflected and the scores are totaled. Yours is purely an argument cobbled together with emotions and impressions, and ignores the facts. If you want to make any headway using a solid foundation, tell me an example where I've ranked a Wilder opponent too highly and a Joshua opponent too low. Just find one. Careful though...don't use Joshua's Charles Martin being better than Wilder's Ortiz. That one's been settled in the ring! And you can see that in spite of his being middle aged, I gave Klitschko a top ranking, as I saw him confident, ready and committed to the win dispite his advanced age in his honorable war with Joshua. I like Joshua. I think he's a future hall of famer. But I think the same of Fury and Wilder as well. Three class A heavyweights sharing the same era. It occasionally happens. People who say Wilder sucks are....not knowledgeable.

So you gave Wilder one more fight bc he has more fights ?

No you did that because you know your zany number system still doesn’t favor Wilder so no matter what he ends up with more points , the forum isn’t that dumb my friends come on that’s like you talking in circles about Martin being better then Ortiz no one said and they don’t even line up when each fought them there’s like a 2 year difference which is also part of this scheme .

The only fact here is you have no actual logic either and won’t actually explain with reason how the point system is actually or would actually show wilder has a better resume ,it doesn’t matter where you ranked anyone everyone has eyes on here and they see you added an extra fighter to get Wilder ahead and the funny thing is it’s not even that big a difference to where they tallied up anyway ?


For someone claiming others of running on emotion you sure went out of your way here with something that’s so illogical you think Others are actually going to buy into this ? Anyway it’s been entertaining but this really is a waste of time for me at this point someone can chime in here . It’s just ridiculous the way you went about it if you actually did a honest numbers system maybe I’d entertain it but this is dead in the water

[REDEEMER]

Moments after Fury vs Wilder III, I did rank Wilder as the second best Heavyweight in the division.

But now the landscape has changed, and nobody knows the form Wilder is in.

Tyson Fury may never be pushed that hard again by a opponent. Wilder pushed Fury to the brink.

Over a duration of 3 fights, Wilder pushed Tyson Fury inside and outside of the ring.

I have no idea, zero idea why people try to claim that it was easy for Fury.

The Wilder fights are the reason why Tyson Fury retired in my opinion 'The strain of the challenge'.

Wilder was like one of those zombies, that would not go away. He was defiant inside and outside the ring.

He got battered and mostly toyed with even after the knockdowns barring one where the bell rang but Fury still got up as though he just tripped and fell . .Fury took more punishment in Chisora 1, Wilder did practically nothing to him and not once hit him with more then 2 punches at a time which also rarely happened .

[PRINCEKOOL]

He got battered and mostly toyed with even after the knockdowns barring one where the bell rang but Fury still got up as though he just tripped and fell . .Fury took more punishment in Chisora 1, Wilder did practically nothing to him and not once hit him with more then 2 punches at a time which also rarely happened .

How many times was Fury knocked down over a duration of 3 fights?

Fury was sent into the outer-world in the first fight, then came back traumatized.

There is a reason why Fury retired. The strain of fighting Wilder took its toll.

Wilder's refusal to go away, and complete defiance was not easy to deal with.

Derek Chisora never knocked down or hurt Fury like Wilder, so I have no idea how you have figured that one out etc.

[Toffee]

I wonder where Usyk would rate using his point system ?

And Fury for that matter.