This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

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We will know a lot after Usyk and Joshua fight again, but some of the same issues will repeat. These notions of how to determine the quality of opposition where very subjective statements are used to draw conclusions.

For example, the fact that Ortiz is "over 40" should be carefully balanced against his performance. Many people here thought Martin would destroy Ortiz lol. The people often turn around and Assume that based on the fact that Ortiz is over 40, Martin should be denigrated to some scrap heap. Is it really relevant that Ortiz is over 40? or is the important point that he beat Martin?

There are many ways to approach creating an order, as long as the criteria applies to all fighters equally and are not simply fanciful notions.

This isn’t true .

“charles martin is crap”

This is just one quote from that fight thread with only 2 posters thinking Martin wins .

The fact is if Ortiz does not actually get a significant win he does not register at all you can’t live off of one great fight you had and he lost that one wheather it was due to bad luck or whatever you want to call it . Age wouldn’t have anything to do with it I think most know his peak was even before Wilder fought him .

The double standard shows however because Martin was actually crap according to most when A.J defeated him ,as soon as Ortiz won it was a great win for the same posters it’s like A.J detractors saying he feeds off old fighters yet Ortiz is older and is Wilders best win , see that’s properly showing what your trying to do only it goes against your buddy on here so you won’t address it ?

You are right people turn around and do the opposite but let’s call it how it is if not these things will be brought up because you can’t state things that don’t reflect what happened and ignore the actual facts . This thread is kooky and you know it is you’re just encouraging the kooky behavior which will have him keep going .

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This isn’t true .

“charles martin is crap”

This is just one quote from that fight thread with only 2 posters thinking Martin wins .

The fact is if Ortiz does not actually get a significant win he does not register at all you can’t live off of one great fight you had and he lost that one wheather it was due to bad luck or whatever you want to call it . Age wouldn’t have anything to do with it I think most know his peak was even before Wilder fought him .

The double standard shows however because Martin was actually crap according to most when A.J defeated him ,as soon as Ortiz won it was a great win for the same posters it’s like A.J detractors saying he feeds off old fighters yet Ortiz is older and is Wilders best win , see that’s properly showing what your trying to do only it goes against your buddy on here so you won’t address it ?

You are right people turn around and do the opposite but let’s call it how it is if not these things will be brought up because you can’t state things that don’t reflect what happened and ignore the actual facts . This thread is kooky and you know it is you’re just encouraging the kooky behavior which will have him keep going .

Charles Martin was talked up considerably... By the time he fought ortiz there was some sanity... But prior to? I wasn't referring to the Ortiz fight. ortiz draws water from the same stream... The same general competition... I don't claim the Martin win was great, if others do that is on them. A great win? I don't know who says such... what people say is Ortiz only lost to Wilder and has skills and has proven them.

Your starting to cross that line again... "My Buddy?" argue with me, its not a popularity contest. It shouldn't matter "my buddy." If you start personal insults again just know you started things up. As long as you argue the material facts that is fine. So which way you want to take this? You want to be a mature individual? or do you want to start personal insults again? Your call.

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Charles Martin was talked up considerably... By the time he fought ortiz there was some sanity... But prior to? I wasn't referring to the Ortiz fight. ortiz draws water from the same stream... The same general competition... I don't claim the Martin win was great, if others do that is on them. A great win? I don't know who says such... what people say is Ortiz only lost to Wilder and has skills and has proven them.

Your starting to cross that line again... "My Buddy?" argue with me, its not a popularity contest. It shouldn't matter "my buddy." If you start personal insults again just know you started things up. As long as you argue the material facts that is fine. So which way you want to take this? You want to be a mature individual? or do you want to start personal insults again? Your call.

The OP literally put an extra fighter to get the results he wanted where you then tried reversing it on me as though I’m talking in circles where you deflected my questions to you ,not really much I have to say beyond that . That is the thread .

You did refer the Ortiz fight you said most thought Martin was going to win ,whatever I can tell you that’s not true you forget I was one of the few who liked that fight the rest of the forum practically called Miller a bum ……I can literally show you the thread on the specific fight ?

You have a big problem deflecting when someone asks or points out something you said it’s old news , its on this thread . This isn’t starting anything that’s what you make it when someone points the faults you do on here it’s not a big deal and as a reminder you actually started the confrontation and it’s the same way you would do it here with the passive aggressive approach , one things for sure I won’t let you do it and you know that I’ll call you or anyone else on it .it is what it is .

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- - Where Willy be to defend hisself?

Locked in his bathroom?

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The OP literally put an extra fighter to get the results he wanted where you then tried reversing it on me as though I’m talking in circles where you deflected my questions to you ,not really much I have to say beyond that . That is the thread .

You did refer the Ortiz fight you said most thought Martin was going to win ,whatever ……you have a big problem deflecting when someone asks or points out something you said , its on this thread . This isn’t starting anything that’s what you make it when someone points the faults you do on here it’s not a big deal and as a reminder you actually started the confrontation and it’s the same way you would do it here with the passive aggressive approach , one things for sure I won’t let you do it and you know that I’ll call you or anyone else on it .it is what it is .

I have no problem as long as you do not attack me personally. As a matter of fact? why attack ANYONE for a difference of opinion? I tried to explain to you my POV frankly? you didn't yet acknowledge that you understand it.... At any rate? it is hardly a "deflection." Often things go over your head my friend... Sorry just being honest. I doubt you could even understand what my point is... Its ok... lol.

Many thought Martin would win that fight... Thats a fact. people were not crazy about it, there was some understanding that ortiz had the skills to deal with martin... Nuance REdeemer, nuance! Not everything is absolute lol. I don't mind you arguing what you percieve as faults, but stop making reference to "my buddies" thats an ad hominum attack. Also learn to be mature enough to respect a difference of opinion. Seriously lol remember people read these threads lol. But alas, your comments clearly show you have learned little... Hey I tried to be a good guy, I tried.

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I have no problem as long as you do not attack me personally. As a matter of fact? why attack ANYONE for a difference of opinion? I tried to explain to you my POV frankly? you didn't yet acknowledge that you understand it.... At any rate? it is hardly a "deflection." Often things go over your head my friend... Sorry just being honest. I doubt you could even understand what my point is... Its ok... lol.

Many thought Martin would win that fight... Thats a fact. people were not crazy about it, there was some understanding that ortiz had the skills to deal with martin... Nuance REdeemer, nuance! Not everything is absolute lol. I don't mind you arguing what you percieve as faults, but stop making reference to "my buddies" thats an ad hominum attack. Also learn to be mature enough to respect a difference of opinion. Seriously lol remember people read these threads lol. But alas, your comments clearly show you have learned little... Hey I tried to be a good guy, I tried.

He is your buddy that’s the only explanation you could have .

That’s not an attack that’s just stating the obvious.

If everything went over your head then this is just a pointless conversation for me .so I’ll end it here but you know I’m just not that dumb to believe that I also know you can count to an adult standard so do you at least acknowledge he purposely rigged his own number comparison can you at least answer that one or does that go over your head ?

Seriously Bill have a great 4th but this is really going nowhere you obviously didn’t want to engage in any real talks regarding the subject you deflected and pallied up with the OP it’s all good I wouldn’t want to cross whatever line you have when you give the warning out .

That goes for everyone don’t cross Bills line .

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He is your buddy that’s the only explanation you could have .

That’s not an attack that’s just stating the obvious.

If everything went over your head then this is just a pointless conversation for me .so I’ll end it here but you know I’m just not that dumb to believe that I also know you can count to an adult standard so do you at least acknowledge he purposely rigged his own number comparison can you at least answer that one or does that go over your head ?

Seriously Bill have a great 4th but this is really going nowhere you obviously didn’t want to engage in any real talks regarding the subject you deflected and pallied up with the OP it’s all good .

I have a proposition for you: I usually stay on a website for a few years, or so... anyhow I have things to do. How about a lifetime ban bet on the Joshua fight? If Joshua wins, I leave the site, you get to take credit for it... If Usyk wins, you admit you asked for the smoke and got it, and agree to behave yourself? Your so confident in Joshua right? What do you say?

Your the one that likes these things right? Joshua wins, you never hear from me again... Usyk wins you apologize for being an A s s and behave yourself deal?

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I have a proposition for you: I usually stay on a website for a few years, or so... anyhow I have things to do. How about a lifetime ban bet on the Joshua fight? If Joshua wins, I leave the site, you get to take credit for it... If Usyk wins, you admit you asked for the smoke and got it, and agree to behave yourself? Your so confident in Joshua right? What do you say?

Your the one that likes these things right? Joshua wins, you never hear from me again... Usyk wins you apologize for being an A s s and behave yourself deal?

I’ll agree to that as long as the forum mods are actually going to enforce it ?

Im going to have to take up the history section their about to lose the best poster in it .

I want everyone to notice bill can’t even admit his friend rigged the results that’s why he’s angry now . He knows he has to say yes and it kills every thing he defends on here .

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I’ll agree to that as long as the forum mods are actually going to enforce it ?

Im going to have to take up the history section their about to lose the best poster in it .

You don't have to have anyone "enforce" anything... If I give you my word I will follow through. If Joshua wins that fight I will cease to post on the site, no sockpuppets, no alts, no nothing! Effective the next day after the fight... Watch what do prior to the fight... You will see me state the bet and what will happen.

If I win, you apologize for being an A s s, behave yourself like you were doing for a while, and disagree respectfully from here on out. And yes, I will use you as an example! When idiots like Warroom start the same shiat... you still have to behave yourself, the longer you do, the less I make refrence to you and the bet. basically of you behave I am kind...

Deal? You can have any witness you want, Anyway to make this ironclad you need? Deal? Come on put your money where your mouth is! lets play the game your way!

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You don't have to have anyone "enforce" anything... If I give you my word I will follow through. If Joshua wins that fight I will cease to post on the site, no sockpuppets, no alts, no nothing! Effective the next day after the fight... Watch what do prior to the fight... You will see me state the bet and what will happen.

If I win, you apologize for being an A s s, behave yourself like you were doing for a while, and disagree respectfully from here on out. And yes, I will use you as an example! When idiots like Warroom start the same shiat... you still have to behave yourself, the longer you do, the less I make refrence to you and the bet. basically of you behave I am kind...

Deal? You can have any witness you want, Anyway to make this ironclad you need? Deal? Come on put your money where your mouth is! lets play the game your way!

The funny thing here bill is we did this already or have you forgotten ?

Awhile back you made a ban bet with me stating if I showed you a quote you never said you’d leave the forum ….in fact I did that and gave you the thread link that disappeared fast afterwards you then said I typed the words in that you never wrote it ?

The mods didn’t do anything and I’m guessing they wouldn’t still ? It doesn’t matter if you stay or go that’s on you and your ridiculous proposal for no reason but showing you where you constantly deflect things .

And what money are we betting money now ? Get it together my friend your better then this .