This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

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And Fury for that matter.

Well he’d just add more fights on for Fury and say he did it bc Fury has fought more fights that solves everything for him if he wants to showcase a winner . It’s like adding an extra vote to get someone elected .

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How many times was Fury knocked down over a duration of 3 fights?

Fury was sent into the outer-world in the first fight, then came back traumatized.

There is a reason why Fury retired. The strain of fighting Wilder took its toll.

Wilder's refusal to go away, and complete defiance was not easy to deal with.

Derek Chisora never knocked down or hurt Fury like Wilder, so I have no idea how you have figured that one out etc.

Getting knocked down isn’t accumulative damage , the amount of knockdowns in 3 fights isn’t even that surprising unless you add both guys knock downs .

The fact is Fury rarely took much clean shots in 3 fights ,I don’t even think he was hit in the second fight ? Chisora ****** up Furys body and landed a lot on Fury more then Wilder did in 3 fights .

Either way it was a one sided trilogy fight we all saw the fight that’s about it , Wilders lack of active punch counts would not effect any reason to why Fury considers retirement ,that’s ridiculous it was probably the most lopsided trilogy in history where one guy needed a knockout to win it was so far away from him the rounds won .

[YGriffith]

There isnt even a solid number one, how could you decide who's #2

[PRINCEKOOL]

Getting knocked down isn’t accumulative damage , the amount of knockdowns in 3 fights isn’t even that surprising unless you add both guys knock downs .

The fact is Fury rarely took much clean shots in 3 fights ,I don’t even think he was hit in the second fight ? Chisora ****** up Furys body and landed a lot on Fury more then Wilder did in 3 fights .

Either way it was a one sided trilogy fight we all saw the fight that’s about it , Wilders lack of active punch counts would not effect any reason to why Fury considers retirement ,that’s ridiculous it was probably the most lopsided trilogy in history where one guy needed a knockout to win it was so far away from him the rounds won .

Wilder knocked down Wilder 4-5 times. To knock a fighter down, you need to cause considerable damage to that fighter.

It was not a one sided trilogy, and it was not easy.

Tyson Fury is retired for a reason, Wilder's competitiveness inside and outside the ring has taken it's toll etc.

Chisora never knocked down Fury, never really caused the same amount of Damage as Wilder 'That is a Physiological fact'.

[El_Mero]

Wilder knocked down Wilder 4-5 times. To knock a fighter down, you need to cause considerable damage to that fighter.

It was not a one sided trilogy, and it was not easy.

Tyson Fury is retired for a reason, Wilder's competitiveness inside and outside the ring has taken it's toll etc.

Chisora never knocked down Fury, never really caused the same amount of Damage as Wilder 'That is a Physiological fact'.

It really was. Wilder was dominated. Period

[hugh grant]

Best of last era was wlad. Now he's gone it's up for grabs who is best of this era

[Willow The Wisp]

Moments after Fury vs Wilder III, I did rank Wilder as the second best Heavyweight in the division.

But now the landscape has changed, and nobody knows the form Wilder is in.

Tyson Fury may never be pushed that hard again by a opponent. Wilder pushed Fury to the brink.

Over a duration of 3 fights, Wilder pushed Tyson Fury inside and outside of the ring.

I have no idea, zero idea why people try to claim that it was easy for Fury.

The Wilder fights are the reason why Tyson Fury retired in my opinion 'The strain of the challenge'.

Wilder was like one of those zombies, that would not go away. He was defiant inside and outside the ring.

Great post. Obviously truth. Boxing is hard and Dangerious work, especially at the world championship level. Tens of millions to make. Hundreds of millions if you can stay on top long enough. If it were easy, who wouldn't go for that? Therefore.....why slag any world ranked figher, especially one who's made ten defenses of a major heavyweight title???? Joshua beat Whyte, Martin, Klitschko (albeit a very old and inactive version), Parker, Pulev and Ruiz in the rematch, and those are more grade 'A' guys than either Fury or Wilder have beaten. That's to his credit. Its a big big deal. It's more than, for example, Vitali or Bowe ever did. But when you add up the totals fairly and reasonably assigned 1 through 10 for every class 4 or better opponent each of them have ever faced as a pro, and you fairly, reasonably deduct points for their losses based on the quality ranking of their opponents lost to X The severity of the loss, Wilder squeeks past Joshua. It's just that simple! If we assessed them against each other based ONLY on their respective 7+ rated opponents and no other, Joshua wins. But that would NOT accurately reflect either man's full body of work, and is a tilted measure that would render inaccurate results. This stuff ain't complicated. Of course, Joshua could ace Usyk in the rematch, take out a live fringe contender (Ajagba in Lagos would be awesome), then become the man to topple Fury. Is it all possible? Of course it is. World class heavyweights can kick each others asses on any given day. Any rube has to know that. When that happens, my system of comparison will show the change loud and clear!!

[PRINCEKOOL]

It really was. Wilder was dominated. Period

Being knocked down 4-5 times is not dominating a opponent.

[billeau2]

Fury and Usyk, in whichever order you like, are clearly 1 and 2 in the HW division.

We will know a lot after Usyk and Joshua fight again, but some of the same issues will repeat. These notions of how to determine the quality of opposition where very subjective statements are used to draw conclusions.

For example, the fact that Ortiz is "over 40" should be carefully balanced against his performance. Many people here thought Martin would destroy Ortiz lol. The people often turn around and Assume that based on the fact that Ortiz is over 40, Martin should be denigrated to some scrap heap. Is it really relevant that Ortiz is over 40? or is the important point that he beat Martin?

There are many ways to approach creating an order, as long as the criteria applies to all fighters equally and are not simply fanciful notions.

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Being knocked down 4-5 times is not dominating a opponent.

Your misleading the actual events .

Fury fought Wilder 3 times . Only one of those fights was he actually fully prepared and it was disasterous for Wilder .

No one said the other fights were easy ,partly bc if Fury’s not really on point he can be damaged because hes highly overatted to what he’s made out to be but let’s not confuse that and how many rounds he coasted to winning , it was in fact the biggest landslide boxing’s ever seen for a trilogy and in fact was seen as dominating .