Pacquiao's catchweights

[Roadblock]

Which fight you referring to? Cotto?

Cotto and Oscar, they were the two fights that skyrocketed his career into another level of popularity, Manny was a good fighter that went life and death with LWs yet he is going to blow out elite WWs not without the CWs, lots thought roids I thought weight, Ive never said Manny was a PEDS cheat although he might have been, I think the weakening of crucial opponents were a suedo effect as if he was on PEDS, the whole avoiding testing thing just fuelled the doubts.

[IronDanHamza]

Cotto and Oscar, they were the two fights that skyrocketed his career into another level of popularity, Manny was a good fighter that went life and death with LWs yet he is going to blow out elite WWs not without the CWs, lots thought roids I thought weight, Ive never said Manny was a PEDS cheat although he might have been, I think the weakening of crucial opponents were a suedo effect as if he was on PEDS, the whole avoiding testing thing just fuelled the doubts.

Oscar fight wasn't a catchweight though right?

[4truth]

LOL! Canelo weighed in at 153 his previous fight. 1 pound meant nothing and Canelo and his team said so.

153.5

Canelo was 165 on fight night against Floyd. In his previous fight he was 172. essentially a different weight class.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2802237

“Then they went up to 151. And then finally, so we could make the fight, I said, 'If anything, I'll give up two pounds. I'll go up to 152. I agreed to that. Then they tried to force me to be quiet and not to mention anything that they came up with the weight of 152. And that's why ... I haven't said anything until now.

"They said we were idiots, we were ******, that we were the ones that wanted the catchweight."

[Roadblock]

I see the compromise from a catchweight but it works both ways. The guy accepting it, accepted it and knows he's going to get a big phat paycheck. The guy applying it, not always is doing it just for an advantage but to level the playing field. See my post again that Pac had JUST entered WW and was already a smaller dude. He was testing the waters. You can say that there is pressure and promoters but in the end, the fighter accepting the contract has the final say. He wouldn't have if he didn't think he couldn't win. Every Pac opponent thought he was too small a guy. It wasn't until they got befuddled that they had to come up with excuses.

Im not debating that CWs have always been in boxing I don't like them because always takes something away from the guy having to come down, the guy going up gets a boost in strength and power, I'm debating the merit of some wins against CWed opponents, a CW can hurt you badly or not at all, or anywhere in between it depends on so many things with the individual case.

The biggest red flag with Manny was Cotto, refusing to fight him without a CW twice, the second time he called Cotto out for his 154 title, if ever you were going to move up for a title what easier path than a guy you already beat up, not for Manny he refused and that spells only one reason he doesn't believe he can beat Cotto without a CW that drains him.

[Mike_b]

I'm pretty sure Cotto resurrected his career post Pacquiao , I'm pretty sure the loss was due to being so far away from what Evangelista Cotto or any coach you could think of, who could help him... He was so far away from proper technique basically because he was the captain of his own ship. We've seen Cotto get better with age under the tutelage of Freddie Roach but yes that was cherry picking what he did to Martinez. All I remember after the fight was Cotto clamoring that PAC was the best in the world. Mosley called him the pound for pound king too after their fight. That's two guys he proved confess that he was the best they ever faced. Not sure if there were any other people who became "believers". Maybe Clottey by apologizing that he indeed lost to Pacquiao whereas he never admitted defeat against Cotto, because Clottey feels like he won that fight and that Miguel was using rough house tactics with him throwing him to the mat and shet. Btw I think Paulie Malignaggi is banned from wildcard gym! This was the time Pacquiao was pound for pound #1.

[BigDramaShow!]

Don't hate on having catchweights, they were grown men he was fighting, they can make their own decision. Meaning nobody put a gun to their head and said "come in drained " if they weren't comfortable at the agreed weight, why would they come in so light?..Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, de la Hoya; they all behaved like champions and made comfort at a difficult place. THEY never publicly blamed their losses on catchweights, but their fans insist so. Pacquiaos run was legendary, an atg and second pound for pound fighter behind Floyd in his era.

I believe catchweights were around for a while, me thinks (correct me if I'm wrong) that Donny Lalonde vs sugar Ray Leonard was contested at a lower weight than lightheavy but was for all the marbles at 175. Donny said he didn't even think the fight was gonna happen due to the last minute because of the weight disparage. We all know what happened there.

Then there was Oscar vs Hopkins at middleweight. It was contested at 157 or was it 158 lbs? Frick, Hopkins came in lighter than de la Hoya was! Not to mention Floyd and Canelo are avid users of the catchweight. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Clenelo and fluid haters can contest what it is that they do. I'm not hating.

The point is, if you have faith in yourself and have integrity, play the b side then win and be the a side in the rematch. Look here, Chad Dawson challenged Andre Ward at a full weight class not as a catchweight. That was because he believed in his abilities. The thing what got him though was that he got dropped in sparring for that fight so Dre told him to his face at the weigh in about how he heard of the trouble he had getting knocked out in training. His shoulders shrunk and ward knew he had the fight won already mentally.

Boxers must look out for themselves do what they gotta do to win. Maidana took 1.5 or 2 million just to wear the Floyd gloves. Floyd paid a million or so to Juan Manuel Marquez for a pound overweight or so. I'm not saying be dirty, but I'd rather see a overly aggressive guy than a soft guy, peace to Hopkins, John Ruiz, and Holyfield. They did everything in order to win their fights no matter what it took:

Hopkins ball punch and headbutt with elbow, Ruiz academy award acting and Greco Roman wrestling, Evander Holyfield with peds from a Mackie shilstone Mr Olympia. You don't play boxing. Just like the saying goes, it's not an intentional headbutt but knowing where to put your head. Just the position of where you put it. Nuff said.

Canelo is the king of rehydration clauses and catchweights.

[Roadblock]

Oscar fight wasn't a catchweight though right?

It was written into the contract, which is the legal term for a CW, contracted weight, considering that Oscar had not made that weight in over 10 yrs and was such a crucial element of the fight it mattered greatly.

Let's say a career 140 guy said I will fight a 154 guy at 147, and its agreed to in the contract its a CW, fans like to put it in a way that its got to be a weight that's different than the division limit which is wrong, its got to be different than they usually fight at and be contracted.

[Roadblock]

I'm pretty sure Cotto resurrected his career post Pacquiao , I'm pretty sure the loss was due to being so far away from what Evangelista Cotto or any coach you could think of, who could help him... He was so far away from proper technique basically because he was the captain of his own ship. We've seen Cotto get better with age under the tutelage of Freddie Roach but yes that was cherry picking what he did to Martinez. All I remember after the fight was Cotto clamoring that PAC was the best in the world. Mosley called him the pound for pound king too after their fight. That's two guys he proved confess that he was the best they ever faced. Not sure if there were any other people who became "believers". Maybe Clottey by apologizing that he indeed lost to Pacquiao whereas he never admitted defeat against Cotto, because Clottey feels like he won that fight and that Miguel was using rough house tactics with him throwing him to the mat and shet. Btw I think Paulie Malignaggi is banned from wildcard gym! This was the time Pacquiao was pound for pound #1.

And both say Floyd was the better fighter, you cant have it both ways, if all common opponents state Floyd was a better fighter what does that say to you?

And I feel the reason is that they fought Floyd when they were in better shape, I think lots of guys that fought Mayweather came in some of best shape of their careers, where as with Manny they know he didn't beat a good version of them.

[IronDanHamza]

It was written into the contract, which is the legal term for a CW, contracted weight, considering that Oscar had not made that weight in over 10 yrs and was such a crucial element of the fight it mattered greatly.

Let's say a career 140 guy said I will fight a 154 guy at 147, and its agreed to in the contract its a CW, fans like to put it in a way that its got to be a weight that's different than the division limit which is wrong, its got to be different than they usually fight at and be contracted.

What was written into his contract?

The fight with Oscar was at 147.

[Roadblock]

What was written into his contract?

The fight with Oscar was at 147.

Trying to answer you and get this.


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