Pacquiao's catchweights

[Mike_b]

Don't hate on having catchweights, they were grown men he was fighting, they can make their own decision. Meaning nobody put a gun to their head and said "come in drained " if they weren't comfortable at the agreed weight, why would they come in so light?..Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, de la Hoya; they all behaved like champions and made comfort at a difficult place. THEY never publicly blamed their losses on catchweights, but their fans insist so. Pacquiaos run was legendary, an atg and second pound for pound fighter behind Floyd in his era.

I believe catchweights were around for a while, me thinks (correct me if I'm wrong) that Donny Lalonde vs sugar Ray Leonard was contested at a lower weight than lightheavy but was for all the marbles at 175. Donny said he didn't even think the fight was gonna happen due to the last minute because of the weight disparage. We all know what happened there.

Then there was Oscar vs Hopkins at middleweight. It was contested at 157 or was it 158 lbs? Frick, Hopkins came in lighter than de la Hoya was! Not to mention Floyd and Canelo are avid users of the catchweight. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Clenelo and fluid haters can contest what it is that they do. I'm not hating.

The point is, if you have faith in yourself and have integrity, play the b side then win and be the a side in the rematch. Look here, Chad Dawson challenged Andre Ward at a full weight class not as a catchweight. That was because he believed in his abilities. The thing what got him though was that he got dropped in sparring for that fight so Dre told him to his face at the weigh in about how he heard of the trouble he had getting knocked out in training. His shoulders shrunk and ward knew he had the fight won already mentally.

Boxers must look out for themselves do what they gotta do to win. Maidana took 1.5 or 2 million just to wear the Floyd gloves. Floyd paid a million or so to Juan Manuel Marquez for a pound overweight or so. I'm not saying be dirty, but I'd rather see a overly aggressive guy than a soft guy, peace to Hopkins, John Ruiz, and Holyfield. They did everything in order to win their fights no matter what it took:

Hopkins ball punch and headbutt with elbow, Ruiz academy award acting and Greco Roman wrestling, Evander Holyfield with peds from a Mackie shilstone Mr Olympia. You don't play boxing. Just like the saying goes, it's not an intentional headbutt but knowing where to put your head. Just the position of where you put it. Nuff said.

[IronDanHamza]

Catchweights have not only been around for "a while" but they have been around since the the very early days of boxing.

Joe Gans vs Battling Nelson

Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Joe Walcott, Jimmy Mclarnin, Henry Armstrong, Emile Griffith, the list goes on, all involved in Catchweight bouts.

[QueensburyRules]

- - John L Sullivan Newpaper challenges willing to meet any catchweight.

[Roadblock]

Cotto was basically forced to accept the CW, it was at first 143 which Cotto flat rejected, at 145 Cotto did not want his title on the line but I guess having the same promotor as your opponent can easily coerce the decisions being made, Cotto left Arum as soon as his contract expired.

Using the excuse they are grown men making their own decision is not the case in high stakes high dollar sporting competition, there are many reasons why a guy will take on a major handicap to compete, firstly they are fighters, secondly, they like money, and thirdly they have influenced advisers.

No fighter really wants a CW that is placed on them if they had the choice they would rather they not have it, they only happen because of the above.

Manny made a career of manipulating weight, his biggest fights that catapulted his career were on the back of CWS and fighters coming of their career biggest losses, its been beat to death in here I can't even be bothered itemizing the weight BS Manny got away with its a long list going right back to being 144lb in-ring as a LW. to beating Cotto at a CW and refusing to fight him again without another CW after being the one to call Cotto out for his 154 title, its shows Mannys thinking, he cant beat Cotto without a CW.

[Roadblock]

Catchweights have not only been around for "a while" but they have been around since the the very early days of boxing.

Joe Gans vs Battling Nelson

Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Joe Walcott, Jimmy Mclarnin, Henry Armstrong, Emile Griffith, the list goes on, all involved in Catchweight bouts.

But nobody capsulized them more than Manny, it was like a loophole where they realized in the modern athlete that's competing on an edge that if you can add the straw that broke the camels back the public will never see it, all they see is the name being beat up and so it went, but like everything, the truth will come out and it did fighters cant get away with it now, if a guy calls CW fans are all over it screaming draining, with Manny they were oblivious to it even though when the CWS stopped so did the stoppages.

[hugh grant]

Floyd s cw with nel o is infinitely worse, against a green fighter? Not sure what's worse, the cw or Floyd fan wanting Floyd to get full credit for win?
The cw enabled Floyd to keep zero but don't then say it's a great win. Plus Floyd don't offer rematch at 154?
Pac offered rematch to cott o at 147 and he also fought another 12 years. Pac don't need to live off that win like Floyd tries to.
No comparison

[Roadblock]

Floyd s cw with nel o is infinitely worse, against a green fighter? Not sure what's worse, the cw or Floyd fan wanting Floyd to get full credit for win?
The cw enabled Floyd to keep zero but don't then say it's a great win. Plus Floyd don't offer rematch at 154?
Pac offered rematch to cott o at 147 and he also fought another 12 years. Pac don't need to live off that win like Floyd tries to.
No comparison

Youre an idiot, offered a rematch when the guy is in a bigger division hence another CW draining.

Nobody in history manipulated weight handicaps as Manny did. the GOAT weight manipulator is Manny.

[IronDanHamza]

But nobody capsulized them more than Manny, it was like a loophole where they realized in the modern athlete that's competing on an edge that if you can add the straw that broke the camels back the public will never see it, all they see is the name being beat up and so it went, but like everything, the truth will come out and it did fighters cant get away with it now, if a guy calls CW fans are all over it screaming draining, with Manny they were oblivious to it even though when the CWS stopped so did the stoppages.

I don't think so.

Pacquaio had his handful of catchweight fights.

So did Floyd, so did Oscar, so did Canelo, so did Hopkins, so did Cotto himself, the list goes on.

Pacquaio didn't really utilize catchweights any more than the above.

After all, they're a part of boxing, always have been.

[Silence]

Biggest catchweight fight ever is Fluidweather vs Skeletonelo. Look at how drained is Canelo smh..

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[Roadblock]

I don't think so.

Pacquaio had his handful of catchweight fights.

So did Floyd, so did Oscar, so did Canelo, so did Hopkins, so did Cotto himself, the list goes on.

Pacquaio didn't really utilize catchweights any more than the above.

After all, they're a part of boxing, always have been.

145 Cotto refused twice without a CW, Oscar was drained worse than any fighter Ive ever seen the next was LaLonde vs Leonard, then we have Mosely agreeing to 142 with Manny saying no, then after a loss and draw 147 is ok, 144 for Algeiri, 150 for Margarito, 147 for JMM.

Its obvious he was slowing small fighters and weakening bigger fighters, and he learned a hard lesson with JMM that putting on weight will not hurt you like taking it off.

I never said CWS that's only part of it , I said he was the GOAT of weight manipulation, nobody played it like Manny did or anywhere near as often.