Pacquiao's catchweights

[IronDanHamza]

The sole criteria is for a CW is agreeing to meet outside of what you normally fight at, it has nothing to do with the number you decide to meet at, not in the principle of weight, the agreeing to move from where you are is the mechanism that makes it a CW not the number you decide on.

You are trying to apply a division limit as a weight that cannot be a CW which is ridiculous as far as the fighters are concerned, as I said if a 130 guy fought a 147 guy at 140, its a CW, its not a regular 140 fight between 140 pounders, the divisional limits are not bounds they are just a number, depending on where you come from any number can be a CW as easy as any other number.

No it's not. It has literally everything to do with the number you decide to meet at. You might want to look up what a Catchweight is

If the number is in between the weight classes, it's a catchweight. If the fights at the full limit, then it's not a catchweight.

A guy moving down a weight class, or up a weight class Isn't a Catchweight. If it is, that opens a real can of worms because that would mean Floyd for example has had a lot of catchweights in his career when in reality he's had two (Marquez and Canelo)

[IronDanHamza]

What’s more remarkable is Floyd has only fought 2 catchweights his entire career while only fighting 2 fighters coming of losses as well. Canelo has fought in more catchweights than any fighter with 9 catchweights, Pacquiao 4 CW. Floyd fought for 2 vacant titles and Pacquiao fought for 8 vacant titles. Mayweather has fought over 10 fighters who were coming off KO wins that’s also more than Pacquiao 6. Analytics, data, and records prove Floyd fought tougher opponents

Which vacant titles did Floyd fight for?

[BodyBagz]

Biggest catchweight fight ever is Fluidweather vs Skeletonelo. Look at how drained is Canelo smh..

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Pac would never have fought that version of Nelo.
Besides, May gave him a 14 years age advantage

[Roadblock]

No it's not. It has literally everything to do with the number you decide to meet at. You might want to look up what a Catchweight is

If the number is in between the weight classes, it's a catchweight. If the fights at the full limit, then it's not a catchweight.

A guy moving down a weight class, or up a weight class Isn't a Catchweight. If it is, that opens a real can of worms because that would mean Floyd for example has had a lot of catchweights in his career when in reality he's had two (Marquez and Canelo)

You are arguing a label, not what the label entails when in action, there is no logic in what you're saying.

How the fck can a 130 guy meet a 147 guy at 140 and it not be a CW. .its so much more than the label.

Manny Oscar was not just a WW fight it had every element of a CW applied to it, you're all hung up on a division limit while the division is a range of weight, why do you give the limit any more legitimacy than say a pound under the limit which still classified as WW. What is the difference 146 to 147 to guy coming from 160 , none at all its still the same deal to him.


Here is what webster says.

Definition of catchweight
: a negotiated weight limit for a sports event (such as a boxing match) that does not fall within the traditional weight class divisions

So according to them you cant have a CW because they will always fall within a traditional division, nothing said about a division limit, but it did say a negotiated weight limit for a match.

[hectari]

145 Cotto refused twice without a CW, Oscar was drained worse than any fighter Ive ever seen the next was LaLonde vs Leonard, then we have Mosely agreeing to 142 with Manny saying no, then after a loss and draw 147 is ok, 144 for Algeiri, 150 for Margarito, 147 for JMM.

Its obvious he was slowing small fighters and weakening bigger fighters, and he learned a hard lesson with JMM that putting on weight will not hurt you like taking it off.

I never said CWS that's only part of it , I said he was the GOAT of weight manipulation, nobody played it like Manny did or anywhere near as often.

Chris Algieri was 140 pound champion so you can throw that 144 pound catchweight out the window that didnt favor Pac that was actually a benefit to Algieri who fought at 140

Throw the Juan Manuel Marquez catchweight out the window, Floyd fought JMM at a catchweight after calling him out and JMM moved from 135 pounds to fight Floyd and guess what Floyd missed weight smh

150 for Margarito helped Margarito, he was a 147 pound champion before losing to Mosley and fought at 147, even Margarito said the two pounds helped him and he easily made the weight and went up to 168 pounds.

You have an irrational hatred for Manny that makes zero sense either you got done wrong by him or roach or something for your to hold this type of grudge. you do realizing Manny doesnt set up these catchweights but its roach and arum.

[Roadblock]

Chris Algieri was 140 pound champion so you can throw that 144 pound catchweight out the window that didnt favor Pac that was actually a benefit to Algieri who fought at 140

Throw the Juan Manuel Marquez catchweight out the window, Floyd fought JMM at a catchweight after calling him out and JMM moved from 135 pounds to fight Floyd and guess what Floyd missed weight smh

150 for Margarito helped Margarito, he was a 147 pound champion before losing to Mosley and fought at 147, even Margarito said the two pounds helped him and he easily made the weight and went up to 168 pounds.

You have an irrational hatred for Manny that makes zero sense either you got done wrong by him or roach or something for your to hold this type of grudge. you do realizing Manny doesnt set up these catchweights but its roach and arum.

Sorry you don't throw any of them out the window, they happened you add them up you don't untick the box, I know it's just a coincidence that happen to follow Manny around.

[Joe Grizzley]

Cotto and Oscar were not where near his best wins unless you just started watching boxing.

Barrera and Morales were his best wins by far.

That is a good point and I agree. But it feels like nobody remembers those guys and for those that do, Barrera and Morales weren't the same fighters by the time they faced Manny. Barrera had fought Erik twice and Morales had fought Marco three times. They dished out a lot of damage to each other and fighters are never the same if you look at the history of these types of rematches/trilogies. Manny was positioned at the perfect time.

The people will remember Cotto and Oscar more than they will Barrera and Morales.

[Roadblock]

That is a good point and I agree. But it feels like nobody remembers those guys and for those that do, Barrera and Morales weren't the same fighters by the time they faced Manny. Barrera had fought Erik twice and Morales had fought Marco three times. They dished out a lot of damage to each other and fighters are never the same if you look at the history of these types of rematches/trilogies. Manny was positioned at the perfect time.

The people will remember Cotto and Oscar more than they will Barrera and Morales.

Thats the point I made, Cotto and Oscar took him from being a good fighter and just one of a quartet of elite fighters, to superstardom, if he lost those 2 fights he would never have become 1/2 of what he did, those weight drained fights changed his career, they were crucial in the making of Manny.

[BodyBagz]

If we were to throw out all of them *'s, that's like throwing away 1/2 of Pac's WW wins !!!

[QueensburyRules]

Oscar was a 154 fighter,, that's what makes it a CW, when a guy is contracted to make a lower weight than his usual divisional limits as in Oscar fighting at 154 and 160 for like 10 yrs then he was contracted to 147 it then becomes a CW.

Youre playing with labels instead of the meaning of the label.

- - Manny on a few weeks notice moved up two divisions to save the same year long promotion after l'l Floydy melted like a snowcone dropped on a summer sidewalk.

Truth hurts U candies then and now and forever more.