Pacquiao's catchweights

[clmags12]

145 Cotto refused twice without a CW, Oscar was drained worse than any fighter Ive ever seen the next was LaLonde vs Leonard, then we have Mosely agreeing to 142 with Manny saying no, then after a loss and draw 147 is ok, 144 for Algeiri, 150 for Margarito, 147 for JMM.

Its obvious he was slowing small fighters and weakening bigger fighters, and he learned a hard lesson with JMM that putting on weight will not hurt you like taking it off.

I never said CWS that's only part of it , I said he was the GOAT of weight manipulation, nobody played it like Manny did or anywhere near as often.

Manny dictated nothing to Oscar. DLH is the one who brought up Manny from 135. Just a showcase fight really.

All of those catchweight fights just prove Manny was really a small WW. Who even at the end could of made 140.

[Roadblock]

Manny dictated nothing to Oscar. DLH is the one who brought up Manny from 135. Just a showcase fight really.

All of those catchweight fights just prove Manny was really a small WW. Who even at the end could of made 140.

I never said Oscar was dictated to, Oscars ego is what destroyed him writing a maybe cheque that his body couldn't do, but the events concerning weight was so instrumental in the win, Roach was all over Oscars weight in the lead up, he said if he is a once over its no fight, to be two pounds under had Roach stating it wont go 3 rounds, Roach said he seen the IV marks on Oscar and knew he was fked.

Non of that was Mannys fault, that's not the issue, the issue is how much milage Manny got out of the win where Oscar was deadman walking, the truth is if Manny had of fought the 154 version that Floyd beat Manny would have been stopped, the 20lb bigger Oscar would run over the Oscar that Manny beat, again not Mannys fault just the fight as in boxing Merrit is a sham.

[hugh grant]

Youre an idiot, offered a rematch when the guy was at 154.

If floyd would have offered Nel0 a rematch at 154 when Nell was at 160, floyd would have been congratulated because nobody would think floyd ever would. Floyd would be a hero. He only t ip tapped nelo for 12 rounds, no reason why Nell wouldn't deserve rematch.

Pac beat clotte y easy peasy compared to cotto, so people forgive pac for being silly with cw, evidence suggests he didn't need. Floyd's not forgiven as he left more unanswered questions.

[Joe Grizzley]

Floyd s cw with nel o is infinitely worse, against a green fighter? Not sure what's worse, the cw or Floyd fan wanting Floyd to get full credit for win?
The cw enabled Floyd to keep zero but don't then say it's a great win. Plus Floyd don't offer rematch at 154?
Pac offered rematch to cott o at 147 and he also fought another 12 years. Pac don't need to live off that win like Floyd tries to.
No comparison

There is not a fighter in history that's green at 42-0. Green is 15-20 fights. Canelo had two world titles lol. So Canelo was a green WBC and WBA world champion with 42-0 record?? Lisen to what your saying.

Why would he get a rematch? It was practically a shutout.

Cotto had been brutally knocked out and took a long beating just a year prior to Marge. Making him shrink when he didn't want to was bs. No comparison.

[LeOoze]

I don't think so.

Pacquaio had his handful of catchweight fights.

So did Floyd, so did Oscar, so did Canelo, so did Hopkins, so did Cotto himself, the list goes on.

Pacquaio didn't really utilize catchweights any more than the above.

After all, they're a part of boxing, always have been.

Not saying I don't agree, what catchweights did Hopkins himself place? I know Winky and Kelly were at 170 but that was because they were smaller guys moving up.

[clmags12]

I never said Oscar was dictated to, Oscars ego is what destroyed him writing a maybe cheque that his body couldn't do, but the events concerning weight was so instrumental in the win, Roach was all over Oscars weight in the lead up, he said if he is a once over its no fight, to be two pounds under had Roach stating it wont go 3 rounds, Roach said he seen the IV marks on Oscar and knew he was fked.

Non of that was Mannys fault, that's not the issue, the issue is how much milage Manny got out of the win where Oscar was deadman walking, the truth is if Manny had of fought the 154 version that Floyd beat Manny would have been stopped, the 20lb bigger Oscar would run over the Oscar that Manny beat, again not Mannys fault just the fight as in boxing Merrit is a sham.

This was a part time boxer/pervert that Oscar was, again not Mannys fault he struggled to make a weight he decided on. Who the hell is saying this is a HUGE win for Manny?

Of course a 154 version of DLH would put some damage on Manny. Look at when Manny fought Marg at 150 (Marg was +17 to 20 lbs fight night). He was laid up in bed for a few days. A more accurate DLH would ve been a better fight for sure. He SD'd Floyd hahaha!

[Roadblock]

If floyd would have offered Nel0 a rematch at 154 when Nell was at 160, floyd would have been congratulated because nobody would think floyd ever would. Floyd would be a hero.
Pac beat clotte y easy peasy compared to cotto, so people forgive pac for being silly with cw, evidence suggests he didn't need.

Fate is a funny thing its not as linear as your thinking and your IFs don't count for much at the other end of reality. the people you refer to are for the vast majority fans, fans that don't know sht from clay about the sport they a fan off, promoters and matchmakers know this they play fans with BS all day every day, there is realness in the fight game and then there is hype.

[hugh grant]

There is not a fighter in history that's green at 42-0. Green is 15-20 fights. Canelo had two world titles lol. So Canelo was a green WBC and WBA world champion with 42-0 record?? Lisen to what your saying.

Why would he get a rematch? It was practically a shutout.

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Yes it's generally accepted Nell was green when he fought floyd just like wilder was when he fought stiverne. Untested and question marks. I remember at time it was mentioned maybe the fight had come too soon for nelo and he needed a few more fights against quality. But Nell you could say was greener than even wilder was as Nel o has grown.more than wilder has. Nelo was nowhere near his full potential. Floyd knew that, he said Nell was future of sport after beating nelo, whereas we thought Nel o was going to disappear but we didn't really know what future held for Nelo after losing to floyd.

Pac offered rematch to a guy he destroyed. Why can't floyd offer one to one he t ip tapped?

[Joe Grizzley]

I don't think so.

Pacquaio had his handful of catchweight fights.

So did Floyd, so did Oscar, so did Canelo, so did Hopkins, so did Cotto himself, the list goes on.

Pacquaio didn't really utilize catchweights any more than the above.

After all, they're a part of boxing, always have been.

Oscar had 1 catchweight (Hopkins).
Hopkins had 1 catchweight (Pavlik).
Cotto had 1 catchweight (Geale).

Pacquaio most definitely did utilize catchweights moreso than the above.

[IronDanHamza]

Oscar had 1 catchweight (Hopkins).
Hopkins had 1 catchweight (Pavlik).
Cotto had 1 catchweight (Geale).

Pacquaio most definitely did utilize catchweights moreso than the above.

Nah.

De La Hoya had a catchweight with Steve Forbes aswell as Hopkins.

Hopkins had a catchweight with Winky Wright aswell as Geale.

Cotto had a catchweight with Martinez aswell as Geale (After complaining about his previous catchweight with Pacquaio)

Point is, they all had multiple catchweight fights.