Who had the better career Golovkin or Ward?

[Boxing-1013]

bro I just watched the Barrera fight, it was not that close, you talking about what some commentator said early, Ward was landing cleaner punches and was landing harder punches, it was pretty obvious…Barrera best punch came in the 10th round and he still pretty obviously lost that round…It wasn’t that mucked up and close.

the Bika fight was closer because of the awkwardness of Bika however you talking about Ward was easy to hit is nonsense, have you watched either of these fights recently?? Most of Bikas landed punches came from wild punches on the inside Bika was having issues landing clean on the outside but because of his aggression he was able to force a close in fight, but Ward was still landing the cleaner punches, like ok Bika and Ward had a rough and tumble fight but as the fight went on it’s pretty hard to deny Wards work.

back on Kov 2 it was 4-3 Kov headed into the 8th but Ward was landing the more damaging shots, Kov was acting like he didn’t like the punches and the ending series were all around the belt line the lowest punch that people point out was still way to high to be a crotch punch…unless Kov has a condition where his balls are in his hips…At some point people gotta be real, Kovalev quit because he was getting beat to the body…

kessler are you serious? That head clash didn’t happen till the 9th or 10th round, Ward was moving and boxing circles around Kessler, re-watch that fight, Kessler got outclassed.


Dawson literally said that 168 was easy to make, then sometime after he lost he said it was too much, like cmon.

the whole thing is Ward beat higher quality guys, even Froch who was one of Wards biggest distractors called Ward the best SMW, you think his style was unappealing fine even tho I disagree but to act like he wasn’t great? He didn’t have great skills? Absolute nonsense

No I didn't really see great skills from him in there. His cleanest fight imo was vs Froch. I thought it was a really good performance and win, but he did give away some rounds too and made it a close fight.

You see it your way on all that, I see it mine. No use in going around in circles about it.

[Boxing-1013]

Agreed... BTW, watch the Dawson fight some time, I guarantee that most individuals commenting on this fight never bothered to watch it. Ward outthought Dawson, he got him to drop his hand protecting the jaw. Nothing to do with weight.

That's pretty ridiculous man. I've definitely watched it. It was an impressive performance from Ward, but I can't ignore Dawson's condition going into that fight and in that fight. And if we are being real, Dawson's form post that fight was very unimpressive.

[Boxing-1013]

Would you say the same if we subbed Las Vegas for Oakland‽ think about it...because many fighters fight exclusively out of Vegas.

You can be the 'home' fighter without fighting directly in your backyard. Canelo and Mayweather are example of that, with Vegas. But yeah if you're fighting in your literal hometown, then you are clearly the home fighter and clearly going to get the lion's share of the breaks.

[Boxing-1013]

Bottom line is that Ward has at least 6 wins that are better than GGG's very best win (Jacobs) which was a controversial decision too. Dawson, Froch, Abraham, Kovalev 2X, and Kessler are all better wins than Jacobs. Edwin Rodriguez might be as good a win as Jacobs.

GGG is best known for being 0-1-1 vs Canelo, because some people feel he should be 1-0-1 or 1-1. It's not really close, Lemieux, Murray, and Gale are well below the top several guys Ward beat.

To mention GGG having a 'controversial decision' vs Jacobs, but not mention Ward's fights with Kovalev (twice), Kessler, and Dawson is disingenuous. I'd rate Froch above Jacobs but GGG beat Jacobs more clearly than Ward beat Froch. Ward won that one but he gave away some round to make it closer than he should have.

Terrible analysis all around really. Saying Edwin Rodriguez lol. Just terrible, terrible analysis.

[billeau2]

That's pretty ridiculous man. I've definitely watched it. It was an impressive performance from Ward, but I can't ignore Dawson's condition going into that fight and in that fight. And if we are being real, Dawson's form post that fight was very unimpressive.

Your contradicting yourself. Either it was impressive, or it was not... you use the word ridiculous a lot. ..

[Boxing-1013]

Your contradicting yourself. Either it was impressive, or it was not... you use the word ridiculous a lot. ..

Ward was impressive on the night; but his opponent was not that formidable. Stuff like that happens all the time in sports. It is not contradictory at all.

OK thanks for your feedback there, got it.

[DreamFighter]

I would say GGG has a similar number of big names. Canelo twice probably better than Kov twice. Especially GGG's performances in those fights imo. Jacobs, Derevy, Lemieux, Murray, Brook very similar levels to Dawson, Froch, Kessler, Miranda, Abraham. I'd rate Ward's 5 guys there a touch higher but it's close.

Factoring in performances in those fights, and locations, yeah I think GGG has a lot to compare to Ward there.

if you are counting losses then theres hundred better than GGG.
the desperate sound of someone adding murray and brook to their list when they worked out theres nothing left to add after novice derev, never champ jacobs and worst champ lemieux.
murray the level of dawson froch kessler...enough already.

[SunDiego-]

if you are counting losses then theres hundred better than GGG.
the desperate sound of someone adding murray and brook to their list when they worked out theres nothing left to add after novice derev, never champ jacobs and worst champ lemieux.
murray the level of dawson froch kessler...enough already.

Lmao you can't make this sht up. Comparing Lemiux, Murray or even the smaller Brook to someone like Dawson hahaha only in NSB do you see this kind of nonsense. Till this day I just can't get over how ridiculously high the Lemiux win rates on GGGs resume, probably his third best win on that list. Lemiux for crying out loud

[DreamFighter]

Lmao you can't make this sht up. Comparing Lemiux, Murray or even the smaller Brook to someone like Dawson hahaha only in NSB do you see this kind of nonsense. Till this day I just can't get over how ridiculously high the Lemiux win rates on GGGs resume, probably his third best win on that list. Lemiux for crying out loud

tis a joke, Smelieux never even defended his vacant title. GGG's peak acheivement win was beating up a haircut model.

[Boxing-1013]

Lmao you can't make this sht up. Comparing Lemiux, Murray or even the smaller Brook to someone like Dawson hahaha only in NSB do you see this kind of nonsense. Till this day I just can't get over how ridiculously high the Lemiux win rates on GGGs resume, probably his third best win on that list. Lemiux for crying out loud

? huh. You guys are odd. Dawson and Brook would be comparable for the fact that both were champs, and both were weight compromised. Dawson had terrible results after the Ward fight. And he if you want to give credit for a win over a guy who came down 7 pounds and clearly showed the effects of it, oh well, go ahead. Just keep that same dumb analysis all the way around I guess.

You guys just seem to have an issue with analyzing fighters without feelings involved. But, you can be superfans, the world has plenty of those too.