Who had the better career Golovkin or Ward?

[Boxing-1013]

"Home" for Ottke was Germany. I do think that internationally there might be an advantage to home court... probably because of the judges. But your overthinking the advantage nationally... Most fighters in the United States fight out of Las Vegas. Thats where the venues are so it makes sense. There is no real way for a fighter to gain fans from his home area... If I am from Brooklyn, my fans come out to Vegas.

I mean, Ward fought everything in CA really, and almost everything in Oakland. The two fights not in CA or Oakland, were in NJ vs Froch, where he won 7-5 on my card (and on 2 of the judges' cards) and then the Kovalev fights, which if they were in neutral sites or away, he loses at least 1 and is very possibly DQd in the other.

To say that he didn't fight at home is just silly dude. He had as much of a home field advantage as any recent fighter I can recall.

[QueensburyRules]

yes because Ward beating the best fighters in his division isn’t enough, he needs to beat them on their territory …dog that is so ridiculous…Ward beat a list of names does it really matter where the fight was? The only gift you can claim is the first Kov fight and he rematched him and beat him….A lot of people felt GGG got a gift in the Derevyanchenko fight..


the attempt to try and downplay Ward is ridiculous

- -Much dummer is your refusal to see Kov complaining to no avail to the ref all night, finally stopped on his feet complaining about the worst of the low blows.

OK, U like low blows is it? Wart is one of the most insecure champs in the mold of a LLewis or LHolmes and all three have in common is nasty dispositions with low fan bases...

[Boxing-1013]

yes because Ward beating the best fighters in his division isn’t enough, he needs to beat them on their territory …dog that is so ridiculous…Ward beat a list of names does it really matter where the fight was? The only gift you can claim is the first Kov fight and he rematched him and beat him….A lot of people felt GGG got a gift in the Derevyanchenko fight..


the attempt to try and downplay Ward is ridiculous

Fighting at home always has advantages man. Most guys do not fight as well away, as they do at home - and most importantly, unless you are getting clean KOs, you benefit greatly from home refs and home judges.

And I would think even a Ward fan would admit that many of his fights came with controversy - he had a very rough style in the ring and being at home, he got like 90% of the close rounds in his fights (there were many) and being at home, the refs favored him very much as well.

Yes, if you fight all your fights as the home fighter, and win a lot of ugly decisions, I think it's fair for people to judge your ability as a fighter. No one is picking on Andre Ward. It's just facts man. I don't know what else you want me to say. I'm treating him like I would anyone else who did the things he did.

He was a smart tough fighter, but he was very protected, and should definitely have some blemishes on his resume. The only big fight I saw him win clean with my eyes and no controversy was Froch, which I had 7-5. And again that was at home.

Kov 1 - loss
Kov 2 - controversial ending/fight
Kessler - controversial ending/fight
Dawson - controversy with the weight

Even his fights with Barrera and Bika (yes I watched and scored both), I mean I saw a guy who fought two tough even fights, and got 11-1 cards because he was at home. If you watched them, I don't think you'd disagree with me.

What can I say? I give my opinion on how I saw his fights. I can't see things I didn't see. I think he was a tough smart fighter, who greatly benefitted from fighting at home. If he didn't I think his resume would look a lot different.

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GGG did have a very close fight with Sergei. He didn't rematch him. There is certainly something to critique there. At the same time, he was late 30s in that fight, and still had a claim to winning it (I scored it 6-6 to GGG live). And to me that was the only fight of his I saw that the other guy has a claim of winning. The Canelo fights and Jacobs fights were all clear wins for him. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise. He just piles up points and rounds with his jab.

Sergei was the only guy to match his workrate, and that's why he made that a great close tough fight.

[LeOoze]

Fighting at home always has advantages man. Most guys do not fight as well away, as they do at home - and most importantly, unless you are getting clean KOs, you benefit greatly from home refs and home judges.

And I would think even a Ward fan would admit that many of his fights came with controversy - he had a very rough style in the ring and being at home, he got like 90% of the close rounds in his fights (there were many) and being at home, the refs favored him very much as well.

Yes, if you fight all your fights as the home fighter, and win a lot of ugly decisions, I think it's fair for people to judge your ability as a fighter. No one is picking on Andre Ward. It's just facts man. I don't know what else you want me to say. I'm treating him like I would anyone else who did the things he did.

He was a smart tough fighter, but he was very protected, and should definitely have some blemishes on his resume. The only big fight I saw him win clean with my eyes and no controversy was Froch, which I had 7-5. And again that was at home.

Kov 1 - loss
Kov 2 - controversial ending/fight
Kessler - controversial ending/fight
Dawson - controversy with the weight

Even his fights with Barrera and Bika (yes I watched and scored both), I mean I saw a guy who fought two tough even fights, and got 11-1 cards because he was at home. If you watched them, I don't think you'd disagree with me.

What can I say? I give my opinion on how I saw his fights. I can't see things I didn't see. I think he was a tough smart fighter, who greatly benefitted from fighting at home. If he didn't I think his resume would look a lot different.

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GGG did have a very close fight with Sergei. He didn't rematch him. There is certainly something to critique there. At the same time, he was late 30s in that fight, and still had a claim to winning it (I scored it 6-6 to GGG live). And to me that was the only fight of his I saw that the other guy has a claim of winning. The Canelo fights and Jacobs fights were all clear wins for him. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise. He just piles up points and rounds with his jab.

Sergei was the only guy to match his workrate, and that's why he made that a great close tough fight.

IMO what I critique about Ward is his boring ass style of fighting. And, yes, he did do headbutting and other MMA-esque wrestling that I wasn't a fan of.

That being said, I scored the fight 114-113 for Ward almost every time I watched it. And Kov 2 was fair, it was right on the belt, and Kovalev was clearly giving up at the end. It was over.

Ward schooled Kessler for 9 rounds straight. The headbutt didn't happen until round 10.

Dawson...he was the one that called him out and said that 168 was easy.

[MaksBox]

On paper it’s Ward for sure but if you view things correctly and if things were judged correctly then GGG would have a win and a draw in his 2 match series vs Canelo and Ward would have a loss in the first Kova fight then GGG would have the better career over Ward

This.... official results, you can edge it to Ward, however the Unofficial results and what we all know and saw happen.... GGG beat Canelo in 1, Ward lost to Kovalev in 1, and combined with Ward generally being Son of Judges.... GGG is the better boxer.

[Caxcan]

Tough call. Both were talented but didn't make the most of their careers. Ward had good peak moments like winning the 168 tournament and the win over Kovalev. However, he went 4 years without facing a champ prior to Kovalev then retired early when he could have added to his resume. As for GGG, his best moment was vs Canelo 1 but was beaten at his own game in the rematch by underdog and former welterweight Canelo. He also never stepped outside of his comfort zone, claimed he was avoided but refused fights like Lara because he didn't like his style and never risked moving up despite saying he'd eagerly fight from 154-168. He also stopped taking risks as soon as he signed his huge contract with DAZN when he could have continued adding to his resume

[paulf]

How is that even a question?

No one even knows who Ward is, let alone has an opinion on his career.

[Satir]

not even comparable, how many world title fights Ward had in his career, 7-8, maybe 10, Loma has like 15 already, not mentioning Golovkins record, lol, has Ward ever defended his titles?

[Bitedown]

Fighting at home always has advantages man. Most guys do not fight as well away, as they do at home - and most importantly, unless you are getting clean KOs, you benefit greatly from home refs and home judges.

And I would think even a Ward fan would admit that many of his fights came with controversy - he had a very rough style in the ring and being at home, he got like 90% of the close rounds in his fights (there were many) and being at home, the refs favored him very much as well.

Yes, if you fight all your fights as the home fighter, and win a lot of ugly decisions, I think it's fair for people to judge your ability as a fighter. No one is picking on Andre Ward. It's just facts man. I don't know what else you want me to say. I'm treating him like I would anyone else who did the things he did.

He was a smart tough fighter, but he was very protected, and should definitely have some blemishes on his resume. The only big fight I saw him win clean with my eyes and no controversy was Froch, which I had 7-5. And again that was at home.

Kov 1 - loss
Kov 2 - controversial ending/fight
Kessler - controversial ending/fight
Dawson - controversy with the weight

Even his fights with Barrera and Bika (yes I watched and scored both), I mean I saw a guy who fought two tough even fights, and got 11-1 cards because he was at home. If you watched them, I don't think you'd disagree with me.

What can I say? I give my opinion on how I saw his fights. I can't see things I didn't see. I think he was a tough smart fighter, who greatly benefitted from fighting at home. If he didn't I think his resume would look a lot different.

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GGG did have a very close fight with Sergei. He didn't rematch him. There is certainly something to critique there. At the same time, he was late 30s in that fight, and still had a claim to winning it (I scored it 6-6 to GGG live). And to me that was the only fight of his I saw that the other guy has a claim of winning. The Canelo fights and Jacobs fights were all clear wins for him. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise. He just piles up points and rounds with his jab.

Sergei was the only guy to match his workrate, and that's why he made that a great close tough fight.

Bro first off, kovalev 2 was “controversial” mostly because Kov wanted it that way, from the early stages Wards body punching was affecting him and he was playing like they were low shots I mean he started it in the 2nd round and never stopped, he was finished he was looking for a way out the fight and Kov did what he did.

the Kessler fight was not close, most people on press row had Ward winning basically every round, and anyone watching that fight claiming that was a close fight is flat out lying to themself or they haven’t watched the fight.

Dawson decided to come down in weight…he originally claimed it wasn’t hard for him, if it was that hard to drop down that’s on him not on Ward, Ward dominated stopped Dawson

the Barrera fight was even??? Come on dude that’s just nonsense, I mean Ward was landing more jabs and pot shots and Ward was landing the bigger punches as well, Barrera wasn’t throwing punches towards the latter of the fight because he was having trouble hitting Ward regularly like dude that was not a close fight even if you gave Barrera a few rounds what 9-3?

This argument that he made fights ugly but he was able to land clean punches on the inside and other guys struggled to land those same solid shots…Ward was a great fighter, and fought much better fighters then GGG has period, it’s not close Ward is the greater fighter.

[Bitedown]

- -Much dummer is your refusal to see Kov complaining to no avail to the ref all night, finally stopped on his feet complaining about the worst of the low blows.

OK, U like low blows is it? Wart is one of the most insecure champs in the mold of a LLewis or LHolmes and all three have in common is nasty dispositions with low fan bases...

Dude your a racist weirdo that hates black fighters stop talking to me…this the only time I’ll ever respond to your troll ass..