Who had the better career Golovkin or Ward?

[The Big Dunn]

- -GGG infinitely more title fights.

Wart wouldn't go down to 164 that Golovkin was willing to move up to.

What grade they put U back this year.

You’re an imbecile. No need to quote me again.

[dan_cov]

Ward and its not close. No idea why this is even on the 9th page as-if there is even a legitimate debate to be had

[DreamFighter]

He only has 2 other good names on his resume besides the guys I mentioned - Abraham, and Miranda. Not sure what you're referring to really.

Also, the biggest fights are what a guy is judged on mainly, no? That seems to be all you talk about with GGG, for example.

so all his big names are coincidentally an issue, just for ward.

yet ggg is better for NOT having them

seems an all too convenient tradeoff.

or... you dont like ward and love ggg.

[Boxing-1013]

so all his big names are coincidentally an issue, just for ward.

yet ggg is better for NOT having them

seems an all too convenient tradeoff.

or... you dont like ward and love ggg.

I would say GGG has a similar number of big names. Canelo twice probably better than Kov twice. Especially GGG's performances in those fights imo. Jacobs, Derevy, Lemieux, Murray, Brook very similar levels to Dawson, Froch, Kessler, Miranda, Abraham. I'd rate Ward's 5 guys there a touch higher but it's close.

Factoring in performances in those fights, and locations, yeah I think GGG has a lot to compare to Ward there.

[Bitedown]

On the Bika and Barrera fights, my only comments would be to watch them again. And just score the action without regard for who either guy is.

I share the sentiments of the announcer in the Barrera fight, who after the first few rounds said, 'it takes a better man than me to score these rounds' - the rounds were all virtually the same - mucked up, physical, with each guy landing about the same number of shots. I gave each guy a couple 'clear' rounds, and then the rest were 'shoulder shrug' after the end of each round.

Ward isn't that hard to hit man. That fight actually really showed me that. In the Bika fight, it was the same thing. A lot of tight physical rounds, where a lot of people who watched had it very close. Ward is tough and smart, no doubt about it. But he wasn't a super slick fighter as far as being hard to hit. He stayed in range too much because he liked to wrestle around on the inside.

On Kov 2, I saw Ward start better than he did in fight 1, but I still had Kovalev outboxing him 5-2. But Ward was definitely more in the fight. If the fight didn't end on actual low shots, I don't think there would be as much controversy. Ward definitely landed low before that last round as well. He was even warned for it. I don't really care to watch every second of it and slow it down to see how many shots were low. But he definitely landed quite a few low. In another venue, another ref, who knows how that would have played out.

Kessler, the controversy was the rough tactics employed throughout the fight - right or wrong, do you think he would have gotten away with that in Denmark?

Dawson, the controversy is because Dawson was drained and admitted as much, reportedly got KOed cold in sparring, and was reportedly begging to do a catchweight after he realized 168 was way too much.

He was a tough smart fighter but again I can't ignore or explain away all of those controversies in his fights. If you saw it differently I'm not going to be changing your opinion I'm sure. But I don't know how someone can just try and explain away all of that to be honest. But to each his own.

Like I said, it's just hard for me to rate Ward that highly because he never traveled, and seemed to get quite a few helping hands in many of his fights since they were at home.

bro I just watched the Barrera fight, it was not that close, you talking about what some commentator said early, Ward was landing cleaner punches and was landing harder punches, it was pretty obvious…Barrera best punch came in the 10th round and he still pretty obviously lost that round…It wasn’t that mucked up and close.

the Bika fight was closer because of the awkwardness of Bika however you talking about Ward was easy to hit is nonsense, have you watched either of these fights recently?? Most of Bikas landed punches came from wild punches on the inside Bika was having issues landing clean on the outside but because of his aggression he was able to force a close in fight, but Ward was still landing the cleaner punches, like ok Bika and Ward had a rough and tumble fight but as the fight went on it’s pretty hard to deny Wards work.

back on Kov 2 it was 4-3 Kov headed into the 8th but Ward was landing the more damaging shots, Kov was acting like he didn’t like the punches and the ending series were all around the belt line the lowest punch that people point out was still way to high to be a crotch punch…unless Kov has a condition where his balls are in his hips…At some point people gotta be real, Kovalev quit because he was getting beat to the body…

kessler are you serious? That head clash didn’t happen till the 9th or 10th round, Ward was moving and boxing circles around Kessler, re-watch that fight, Kessler got outclassed.


Dawson literally said that 168 was easy to make, then sometime after he lost he said it was too much, like cmon.

the whole thing is Ward beat higher quality guys, even Froch who was one of Wards biggest distractors called Ward the best SMW, you think his style was unappealing fine even tho I disagree but to act like he wasn’t great? He didn’t have great skills? Absolute nonsense

[Johnny2x2x]

Bottom line is that Ward has at least 6 wins that are better than GGG's very best win (Jacobs) which was a controversial decision too. Dawson, Froch, Abraham, Kovalev 2X, and Kessler are all better wins than Jacobs. Edwin Rodriguez might be as good a win as Jacobs.

GGG is best known for being 0-1-1 vs Canelo, because some people feel he should be 1-0-1 or 1-1. It's not really close, Lemieux, Murray, and Gale are well below the top several guys Ward beat.

[hugh grant]

Let's face it Ggg best win might be better than wards but it's close call and maybe ward p ips it

[Guest]

What are we judging them on? Money, official wins, unofficial results etc.

What about if it was who was the biggest dish, who had the best *******, etc.?

[billeau2]

I mean, Ward fought everything in CA really, and almost everything in Oakland. The two fights not in CA or Oakland, were in NJ vs Froch, where he won 7-5 on my card (and on 2 of the judges' cards) and then the Kovalev fights, which if they were in neutral sites or away, he loses at least 1 and is very possibly DQd in the other.

To say that he didn't fight at home is just silly dude. He had as much of a home field advantage as any recent fighter I can recall.

Would you say the same if we subbed Las Vegas for Oakland‽ think about it...because many fighters fight exclusively out of Vegas.

[billeau2]

bro I just watched the Barrera fight, it was not that close, you talking about what some commentator said early, Ward was landing cleaner punches and was landing harder punches, it was pretty obvious…Barrera best punch came in the 10th round and he still pretty obviously lost that round…It wasn’t that mucked up and close.

the Bika fight was closer because of the awkwardness of Bika however you talking about Ward was easy to hit is nonsense, have you watched either of these fights recently?? Most of Bikas landed punches came from wild punches on the inside Bika was having issues landing clean on the outside but because of his aggression he was able to force a close in fight, but Ward was still landing the cleaner punches, like ok Bika and Ward had a rough and tumble fight but as the fight went on it’s pretty hard to deny Wards work.

back on Kov 2 it was 4-3 Kov headed into the 8th but Ward was landing the more damaging shots, Kov was acting like he didn’t like the punches and the ending series were all around the belt line the lowest punch that people point out was still way to high to be a crotch punch…unless Kov has a condition where his balls are in his hips…At some point people gotta be real, Kovalev quit because he was getting beat to the body…

kessler are you serious? That head clash didn’t happen till the 9th or 10th round, Ward was moving and boxing circles around Kessler, re-watch that fight, Kessler got outclassed.


Dawson literally said that 168 was easy to make, then sometime after he lost he said it was too much, like cmon.

the whole thing is Ward beat higher quality guys, even Froch who was one of Wards biggest distractors called Ward the best SMW, you think his style was unappealing fine even tho I disagree but to act like he wasn’t great? He didn’t have great skills? Absolute nonsense

Agreed... BTW, watch the Dawson fight some time, I guarantee that most individuals commenting on this fight never bothered to watch it. Ward outthought Dawson, he got him to drop his hand protecting the jaw. Nothing to do with weight.