I watched it all back. I'm putting money on Wilder to beat Fury in the third fight. Here's why.

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[Holler]

All I'm saying is, I don't see this as clear for Fury. Not this time. Not now that Wilder has experienced both styles. And that's all Fury has.

How did you establish that?

You seem confident that Wilder can add to his game, but that Fury, the superior boxer, cannot do the same? Why?

[KingGilgamesh]

How did you establish that?

You seem confident that Wilder can add to his game, but that Fury, the superior boxer, cannot do the same? Why?

Whilst Fury can definitely add to his game and has proven it numerous times, I just question the sheer amount of time he has been inactive. Its been nearly 18 months now.

I don't actually believe Fury wanted to duck the fight in December. I actually think he wanted to have a fight with Kabayel and then take on whichever high level opponent came next. Be it Wilder or Joshua. I actually think Fury really needs to shake ring rust before taking on big game opponents. I do wonder if it may hurt him...especially when some of the sparring stories make it seem like he's not one to always show up in camps.

[Toffee]

not sure why malik scott being in wilders corner is a big factor, hes been in the camp for ages. they werent allowed to speak any strategy? bs

He brings nothing. Wilder had the chance to get new eyes on him and new ideas. He went with someone who's already been in the camp and who won't tell him what he needs to hear. It's a poor decision by Wilder and highlights why he simply doesn't improve. He doesn't want to hear any hard truths.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Wilder literally had 1 gameplan in rematch which was taking Furys head off

He threw a record low number of punches in Round 1 in the rematch, bro.

You hate Wilder. I get it.

What you're saying is factually inaccurate.

[champion4ever]

It's a good point.

Wilder is clearly the hungrier of the two. Fury might be a little upset at the whole Joshua fiasco still. He might go in distracted by that plus his inactivity.

Meanwhile Wilder has done nothing but train since he put the first video out.

The other point is, I keep saying, we saw what happened when Ruiz won the big one and had to rematch. Ruiz is fresh off life or death struggle with Arreola, who is 5 years faded from when Wilder beat him down.

All I'm saying is, I don't see this as clear for Fury. Not this time. Not now that Wilder has experienced both styles. And that's all Fury has.

I wholeheartedly agree! Well said!

[Combat Talk Radio]

If you’re talking about the knockdowns, I think you’re mistaken. Those knockdowns showed that Fury just gets more determined and viscous when his back is against the wall. He showed the same vitriol and viscousness after he got knocked down against Wilder as he did with Cunningham. Each time he got knocked down he paid both guys back immediately. He went straight at them and put the hurt on them. Wilder got knocked down and lost all his form and composure, Fury got knocked down and upped his composure and aggressiveness. I think Wilder has a pretty good deal of that same “will to win”, but he seems to unravel easier and he doesn’t appear to maintain his composure well unless he’s fighting a slow paced, low volume fight. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a solid chance in the third fight but I think he doesn’t have the same tenacity as Fury. They’re both crazy but Fury is crazier and also a fair bit smarter. This is heavyweight boxing, so everyone has a chance to win on any given night. There’s no sure bet on any fight, ever.

Yet when Sconiers put Wilder down, Wilder came back and took Sconiers out. Yet unable to do so against Fury. Why?

Because Wilder fought the wrong damn fight.


It's like you guys aren't hearing what I'm saying.

Wilder needs to throw for the fences. Don't stop throwing. Don't windmill, but don't stop throwing. Keep throwing. Fury will stop moving when you start hitting his arms, etc. and just try to smother the assault. Then catch him with something he doesn't think is coming his way.

Wilder hasn't fought that way in years yet against Ortiz, Stiverne 1 and Fury, even Szpilka, he got rocked for his troubles. Why? Because it's eeking a jab every few seconds, he's moving around, he's trying to find placement for the right hand, etc. I'm saying STOP THAT. Go after the man like he tried to go after you. Out bully the bully.

[Holler]

Yet when Sconiers put Wilder down, Wilder came back and took Sconiers out. Yet unable to do so against Fury. Why?

Here's an alternative theory, see what you make of it...

Because the lineal, ring and WBC heavyweight champion of the world is a much better boxer than Harold Sconiers?

[Combat Talk Radio]

How did you establish that?

You seem confident that Wilder can add to his game, but that Fury, the superior boxer, cannot do the same? Why?

I've watched every Tyson Fury fight.

He fights the same 2 ways. Every time.

With Ben Davidson it's a twitchy, feinty, Naseem Hamed-ish style with heavy focus on protecting the chin.

With Sugarhill Steward it's a twitchy, feinty, but aggressive poor man's version of Ali, with heavy focus on damage and less on defense.


Now, go back and watch Ali/Spinks II, in New Orleans.

What Ali's doing? That's exactly what Tyson's doing...but he's nowhere near as refined as Ali doing it.

What Spinks is doing? That's what Wilder needs to do, but Wilder can actually reach Fury because Fury under excessive fire is less effective than Ali was.



Now, go back and watch Ali/Norton III. Wilder keeps fighting Fury like Norton fought Ali. But Wilder is nowhere near as defensively sound as Norton, and despite people thinking Norton got robbed, the truth is Norton was rendered completely ineffective and Ali hit him anytime he wanted.

[kafkod]

Here's an alternative theory, see what you make of it...

Because the lineal, ring and WBC heavyweight champion of the world is a much better boxer than Harold Sconiers?

Hey, you could be onto something there ....