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  • I watched it all back. I'm putting money on Wilder to beat Fury in the third fight. Here's why.

    Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

    Except when three things happen.

    1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

    2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



    When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:

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    After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

    Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

    But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

    In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


    Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.
    Last edited by revelated; 06-20-2021, 11:01 AM.
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  • #2
    Didn't read one word but I will offer an insightful response:

    Beyonce Wilder is the biggest bum-fraud in the history of dossing.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by revelated View Post
      Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

      Except when three things happen.

      1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

      2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



      When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:

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      After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

      Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

      But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

      In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


      Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.
      Those are very good observations. I guess the main concern from Wilder is his mental make up going into the trilogy. I don't understand why Wilder is acting the way he's acting, but it's making him look like he can't really deal with the reality of that first loss.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Zaryu View Post

        Those are very good observations. I guess the main concern from Wilder is his mental make up going into the trilogy. I don't understand why Wilder is acting the way he's acting, but it's making him look like he can't really deal with the reality of that first loss.
        He said it in that first video, that he needed to talk less. Malik also implied that Wilder lost focus on boxing and needed to get that back. If that means not fall for Fury's mind games so be it.

        Worked for Steve Collins against Eubank in the first fight.

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        • #5
          Tyson Fury is the vastly superior pugilist, period. He is going to give Deontay Wilder another beating. Once Wilder starts getting hit, he is going to have flashbacks from Feb. 22nd, 2020. Wilder will get hurt and fold like an accordion. He will collapse mentally and physically. Mark my words, Fury will win and win convincingly yet again. I can't wait until July 24th.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by revelated View Post
            Fury has excellent defense. Movement that makes it very difficult to reach him but also general defense that even if you do reach him, you can't land square.

            Except when three things happen.

            1. Fury tends to duck down when a combo is coming his way. He leaves his head vulnerable for a split second on the way back up. The only punch that could feasibly do anything is a cross or a lunging hook, because he leans backward, every time. Even Paulie called it out.

            2. Fury will make every effort to avoid punches from the opponent's power hand, but just deflect or smother punches from the opposite hand.



            When he fought a Ben Davidson-trained, overly defensive Fury, what got Fury dropped was a combination of #1 and #2, due to Fury's defensive style. Notice the sequence:

            [Content is Protected, Please Register For Free To Unlock This Content]




            After these two fights Fury adopted a heavily defensive fight style and wasn't dropped again...until Wilder/Fury 1.

            Think about that. Deontay Wilder figured out the loophole that even Grabomir Clinchko, once considered the #1 guy in the division, couldn't figure out for Fury. Wilder couldn't exploit in the rematch because Fury basically upped the aggression and reverted back to before the shift.

            But an aggressive Fury is a vulnerable Fury, if Wilder ups his aggression and lures him into a mistake.

            In watching the sessions with Wilder and Malik, I believe Malik is teaching Wilder how to goad Fury into war and set him up to eat a shot just like Pajkić and Cunningham landed. If he lands the right flush like those two did and he's got full power behind it, I don't think Fury survives much longer.


            Yes, this all depends on Wilder showing up with the right strategy. But it also depends on Fury being overconfident, and just like with Pajkić and Cunningham, that may very well be the game changer for a Wilder upset of the lineal champion.
            Fury is not the same fighter now as he was when he got dropped by Pajik and Cunningham and the Fury who got dropped by Wilder was a shadow of the guy who outboxed Klitchko and annihilated Wilder in their rematch.

            If you want pointers as to what might happen in Fury/Wilder 3, analyse Fury/Wilder 2. It will be the same 2 guys going up against each other again with neither having fought anybody else in the interim.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kafkod View Post

              Fury is not the same fighter now as he was when he got dropped by Pajik and Cunningham and the Fury who got dropped by Wilder was a shadow of the guy who outboxed Klitchko and annihilated Wilder in their rematch.
              Spoken like someone who didn't bother to read the point under bullets #1 and #2. Which happened AFTER Clinchko. He has the same exact vulnerabilities and eats the same shots from the same angles as he always did. He hasn't improved that because he hasn't needed to - thus why "All In" Wallin damn near stopped him.

              You guys dead set against all things Wilder...your thongs are showing. You are completely ignoring the due diligence and facts I shared in the first post. Even though I showed you visual evidence that Fury is the actual vulnerable one this time around.

              Let me put it another way.

              Tyson Fury is on the decline more than Wilder is - and this third fight will showcase that.

              Just like Joshua showed you that Ruiz is on the decline more than he is in their rematch, for the same reason.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by revelated View Post


                Let me put it another way.

                Tyson Fury is on the decline more than Wilder is - and this third fight will showcase that.
                Fury vs Wilder 1 - a disputed draw with Fury down twice and almost counted out in the 12th.

                Fury vs Wilder 2 - a one-sided beatdown with Wilder down twice and stopped in the 7th without winning a round or landing a meaningful punch.

                Your conclusion - Fury is declining more than Wilder and will be KO'd in the 3rd fight. Mmmmm ... ok mate.

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                • #9
                  Good observations but what are we concluding that Wilder has a punchers chance at best if all his lucky stars line up perfectly?

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                  • #10
                    wilder fans always were idiots.

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