Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[bsrizpac]

he beat Anthony Hanshaw..

doesnt mean Roy is still as great as he was but it does indicate that he wasnt "badly shot " IMO

So he can beat a contender? Great. I guess.

Again it's Roy. He's still Roy, I'm sure he can beat some scrubs.

I ask again who is the last top 10 LHW he faced?

What happened? When was it?

[THE REED]

All Im saying is... a truly SHOT fighter LOSES to prince aladdin, Hanshaw, and Tito...

Maybe Roy didnt look STELLAR, but he still pulled out 3 victories...

When your shot, your not beating anyone.

[RAESAAD]

Are you ****ting me? The poll question should have been asked in reverse......Roy hasn't had a quality win in what 6 years?

[THE REED]

Are you ****ting me? The poll question should have been asked in reverse......Roy hasn't had a quality win in what 6 years?

He was talking about "back in the day"

[bsrizpac]

All Im saying is... a truly SHOT fighter LOSES to prince aladdin, Hanshaw, and Tito...

Maybe Roy didnt look STELLAR, but he still pulled out 3 victories...

When your shot, your not beating anyone.

Again I agree generally that's true. But Tito is a bad example even more shot than Roy and smaller and not motivated and not in shape. Scratch him.

and I think that given how great he was even if he was not Totally shot even a mostly 90 percent Roy could take out 2 fringe contenders.

I refuse to give him credit for beating up a fat undersized paycheck cashing punching bag.

I'm sure Castillo and Gatti even now would look really good against some noob on Pros vs. Joes or on a heavybag or against some random NABO champ. Just saying.

[THE REED]

Im trying to give Roy... something.

[americanme]

So what was that? That was shot. I mean the guy is standing there hands down for 20 -30 seconds sometimes and Roy is afraid to throw.

Roy was too slow, too old, too flatfooted and too shot.

Joe (and I said this BEFORE the fight was signed multiple times) gets no credit and there was no risk. If he wanted a payday and a name fine, he's been around he deserves a nice retirement and a good paycheck. Kudos to him. But what I will not do is give him credit for being a Legend Slayer no matter what Joe fans think or want to twist reality.

I have been SAYING ROY WAS SHOT SINCE 03/04. So how am I exaggerating it to keep poor Joe down? Joe wasn't even a big player when Roy got starched by Tarver/Johnson.

**** outta here with that bull****.

Had Hopkins not beat Pav the way he did you would be starting threads on how Hops was just an old fart with nothing left when Joe beat him , etc, etc..

[bsrizpac]

Had Hopkins not beat Pav the way he did you would be starting threads on how Hops was just an old fart with nothing left when Joe beat him , etc, etc..

Or if you could learn to read I already have gone over the Pavlik vs. Hopkins thing and why it doesn't prove he's not an old fart.

Keep practicing. One day you'll get good at this.

[THE REED]

Had Hopkins not beat Pav the way he did you would be starting threads on how Hops was just an old fart with nothing left when Joe beat him , etc, etc..

Well... if Hops looked horrible against Pav... then I think it would of been a credible argument...

But he didnt look horrible.. so its not a credible argument.. matter fact he looked magnificent.

But anyone understands styles... Pav, is a plodding one dimensional come forward fighter.

[bsrizpac]

Im trying to give Roy... something.

I know you are, but he doesn't need it.

His legacy is sealed after the Ruiz fight. He's the man.

Ali didn't need anyone justifying the Spink loss.


So too we have Roy getting whacked by Josephine. It happens.