Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[bsrizpac]

I know ......

So what was that? That was shot. I mean the guy is standing there hands down for 20 -30 seconds sometimes and Roy is afraid to throw.

Roy was too slow, too old, too flatfooted and too shot.

Joe (and I said this BEFORE the fight was signed multiple times) gets no credit and there was no risk. If he wanted a payday and a name fine, he's been around he deserves a nice retirement and a good paycheck. Kudos to him. But what I will not do is give him credit for being a Legend Slayer no matter what Joe fans think or want to twist reality.

I have been SAYING ROY WAS SHOT SINCE 03/04. So how am I exaggerating it to keep poor Joe down? Joe wasn't even a big player when Roy got starched by Tarver/Johnson.

**** outta here with that bull****.

[THE REED]

Thats why I included... in hindsite... he was absolutely shot...


U see what Alfonso Gomez did to Gatti, and thats my definition of Shot... You see what Roy did to Tito... and it gave me a false sense of confidence, in all truth.

[bsrizpac]

Thats why I included... in hindsite... he was absolutely shot...


U see what Alfonso Gomez did to Gatti, and thats my definition of Shot... You see what Roy did to Tito... and it gave me a false sense of confidence, in all truth.

Like I said it was Tito. You need to really examine Tito to understand why that was a mirage.

Tito was fat, lived at BK, no motivation, greedy, completely inactive, and to top it off way too small.

Even even still he won the first 3-4 Round till Roy realized he had zero power at this point.

[hammerhiem]

there were times were joe stood FACE TO FACE with Roy in that fight for upwards of 10-20 seconds at a time. Hands down. Roy didn't even TRY to punch him. He just stood there frozen.

He was shot dude. Nothing to do with Joe's volume.

There was one time this happened and I think Roy finally threw a hook and then a few other punches a point blank range. It was so slow Joe had about an hour to duck, wiggle his ass and throw a counter shot.

Roy was really badly shot.

yes he was, a shot fighter IS obvious, ODLH was the same, for a guy who threw a ton of power punches every round, he threw less in the fight with pac-man than he did in every round of every other fight I saw him in.

it's painful watching stuff like that,

With Tyson it was speed of movement, in his prime it was silky and really overwhelming, but against lewis it was like he was George Foreman all of a sudden, sad really.

[bsrizpac]

yes he was, a shot fighter IS obvious ODLH was the same, for a guy who threw a ton of power punches ever round he threw less in teh fight then he did in every round of every other fight I saw him in.

it's painful watching stuff like that,

With Tyson it was speed of movement, in his prime it was silky and really overwhelming, but against lewis it was like he was George Foreman all of a sudden, sad really.

Agreed. The worst was watching him quit against McBride. Just painful.

I also felt bad for Gatti against Gomez. I've seen him get his ass kicked before, but not from a guy like that and then not TRYING to fight back. Ugh.

[THE REED]

Like I said it was Tito. You need to really examine Tito to understand why that was a mirage.

Tito was fat, lived at BK, no motivation, greedy, completely inactive, and to top it off way too small.

Even even still he won the first 3-4 Round till Roy realized he had zero power at this point.

Like I said again though... SHOT is Jose Luis Castillo, Arturro Gatti... they can barely throw a combination, against absolute SUBPAR competition... and thats what Tito was.. but Roy was still able to get multiple combinations off... im not talking about how Tito is garbage at this point.. im talking strictly from Roys capabilities in the ring period, against anyone... he was still letting off 3,4,5 punch combos from different angles, and seemingly let his hands go.

My point is, in the Tito fight, he didnt come off as shot as you made it out to be.

In the Joe fight, he certainly did.

[Chase8400]

Calzaghe was not worthy of a Jones match on his terms until he beat Kessler, in my opinion. Roy Jones was a world sensation before Joe got a title. It was Joe's responsibility to do what it took to make the fight happen. He finally chose to do that later in his career when Jones was not nearly as dangerous. People are still making the mistake of thinking the fight in november would have been anything like that during Jones' prime. It simply would have been a way different fight. NO DOUBT.

*No disrespect Kris or any of the Calzaghe fans.

[americanme]

Again I'm going to ask Kris: What has ROY DONE in the last few years to show he's not badly shot? Against whom?
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he beat Anthony Hanshaw..

doesnt mean Roy is still as great as he was but it does indicate that he wasnt "badly shot " IMO

[bsrizpac]

Like I said again though... SHOT is Jose Luis Castillo, Arturro Gatti... they can barely throw a combination, against absolute SUBPAR competition... and thats what Tito was.. but Roy was still able to get multiple combinations off... im not talking about how Tito is garbage at this point.. im talking strictly from Roys capabilities in the ring period, against anyone... he was still letting off 3,4,5 punch combos from different angles, and seemingly let his hands go.

My point is, in the Tito fight, he didnt come off as shot as you made it out to be.

In the Joe fight, he certainly did.

I see what you're saying but 2 points:

It's Roy Jones Jr. He still is flashy even when he's shot.

2nd Point Tito was a punching bag. And not something that could handle Roy aka even more shot. Those other fighters you mentioned were never as flashy as Roy or as great : AND they were not facing guys more or as shot as they were. That's the key.

[americanme]

Like I said again though... SHOT is Jose Luis Castillo, Arturro Gatti... they can barely throw a combination, against absolute SUBPAR competition... and thats what Tito was.. but Roy was still able to get multiple combinations off... im not talking about how Tito is garbage at this point.. im talking strictly from Roys capabilities in the ring period, against anyone... he was still letting off 3,4,5 punch combos from different angles, and seemingly let his hands go.

My point is, in the Tito fight, he didnt come off as shot as you made it out to be.

In the Joe fight, he certainly did.

Also we dont know if he would have adjusted to Joes speed and punch out put at some point in the fight. He had only one good eye for a period of time in the fight and was still occasionly landing a good clean shots on Joe.