Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[bsrizpac]

Richard Hall was a mandatory.

Sometimes we forget there is a way to make a fight happen. usually that involves fighting. As Clegg mentioned, what if Joe Calzaghe moved up and fought Virgil Hill? Or Eric Harding? Or the slew of other LHW's who needed some bread? Don't think that would've created some buzz?

Here's a better question...how did Antonio Tarver get his shot?

Already brought that up in another thread and detailed it out. Inspiration for this thread.

Joe fans excuse: "Joe didn't want to take a paycut by moving up"

Or something.

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I'm not sure what this question is. I mean Joe rejected anything that wasn't top flight money in Roy's prime according to Joe. Even when Joe says he called out Roy (the link and quotes he posted) Joe admits that "I was the champ why should I have to go meet Roy".

And then there's the "I am scared of flying excuse". So what is your question exactly?

the Question asked is exactly as posed.

If RJJ had offered Joe Calzaghe the same terms in the same venue as Rishard Hall would he have fought.

It's not a trick question, I just want your honest opinion.

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Richard Hall was a mandatory.

Sometimes we forget there is a way to make a fight happen. usually that involves fighting. As Clegg mentioned, what if Joe Calzaghe moved up and fought Virgil Hill? Or Eric Harding? Or the slew of other LHW's who needed some bread? Don't think that would've created some buzz?

Here's a better question...how did Antonio Tarver get his shot?

I said I plucked it out my ass it was the bottom one on the list when i opened the bowser page.

Who it's against is immaterial to the question posed.

and really in 2002/3 was Eric harding seen as any more a big name than Byron Mitchell? Mitchell beat Liles who was the WBA champ and American.

19-1 vs 23-2 one of which a total robbery against Ottke in germany, is there really that much difference in class that the US public would be jumping up and down asking for RJJ Vs Calzaghe?

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the Question asked is exactly as posed.

If RJJ had offered Joe Calzaghe the same terms in the same venue as Rishard Hall would he have fought.

It's not a trick question, I just want your honest opinion.

no, he wouldnt of....

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the Question asked is exactly as posed.

If RJJ had offered Joe Calzaghe the same terms in the same venue as Rishard Hall would he have fought.

It's not a trick question, I just want your honest opinion.

RJJ didn't offer Richard Hall a fight.

[bsrizpac]

the Question asked is exactly as posed.

If RJJ had offered Joe Calzaghe the same terms in the same venue as Rishard Hall would he have fought.

It's not a trick question, I just want your honest opinion.

No he would not have. Roy didn't offer Hall a fight, but if someone Joe got those terms worked out, he'd have balked.

Joe has stated that he was the champ and shouldn't have had to go fly to meet Roy. According to Kris Silvers quote. So going by that no.

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Already brought that up in another thread and detailed it out. Inspiration for this thread.

Joe fans excuse: "Joe didn't want to take a paycut by moving up"

Or something.

I was a fan of the sport back then. And I remember when Joe Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Roy Jones. I also remember him calling out Roy Jones on the Tyson-Nielson undercard. It's amazing how anyone takes seriously what a fighter SAYS. It's what he DOES that counts.

[bsrizpac]

prince aladdin... I understood the tier of fighter that Tito was at that point... But Roy seemingly got better with each fight IMO... and I was actually giving Roy a good chance to win... obviously in hindsite we now see what he REALLY had left... although I think it had a lot more to do with the style of fight that Joe fights against an older fighter, that made Roy look worse... when your 40, fighting a faster volume puncher is lose/lose situation...

But as far as what Roy did in the Tito fight, I was intrigued... Tito or no Tito...

But obviously im not trying to compare Joe coming here to fight a 40 yr old version of Roy Versus Roy going to england in there primes...

Those are two completely different risks...

there were times were joe stood FACE TO FACE with Roy in that fight for upwards of 10-20 seconds at a time. Hands down. Roy didn't even TRY to punch him. He just stood there frozen.

He was shot dude. Nothing to do with Joe's volume.

There was one time this happened and I think Roy finally threw a hook and then a few other punches a point blank range. It was so slow Joe had about an hour to duck, wiggle his ass and throw a counter shot.

Roy was really badly shot.

[bsrizpac]

I was a fan of the sport back then. And I remember when Joe Calzaghe said he didn't want to fight Roy Jones. I also remember him calling out Roy Jones on the Tyson-Nielson undercard. It's amazing how anyone takes seriously what a fighter SAYS. It's what he DOES that counts.

So was I .

I already made the action vs. talking point above but I'm glad you brought that back up.

Again I'm going to ask Kris: What has ROY DONE in the last few years to show he's not badly shot? Against whom?

We know how you feel and you keep claiming that I have my "views". Big problem is that I back up my views with examples and facts.

Also, I don't have any problem with you or think you are a prick. If I come across as harsh to you it's all in good fun to me, because I'm talking about general Joe fans. If you wish to include yourself in that group and take offense, I'm sorry, but have at it.

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there were times were joe stood FACE TO FACE with Roy in that fight for upwards of 10-20 seconds at a time. Hands down. Roy didn't even TRY to punch him. He just stood there frozen.

He was shot dude. Nothing to do with Joe's volume.

There was one time this happened and I think Roy finally threw a hook and then a few other punches a point blank range. It was so slow Joe had about an hour to duck, wiggle his ass and throw a counter shot.

Roy was really badly shot.

I know ......