Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

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    #151
    Originally posted by chicano79us
    Other than Sturm, who else?? Quartey?? He won that, that 12th round knockdown saved him, imo. Whitaker?? Whitaker blew it by tying to be too flashy.
    Quartey was questionable as hell. The 12th round KD doesn't make up for the previous rounds he did **** but basically stare at Ike. That fight wasn't even hard to score.

    If you're GENEROUS to DLH, he is ahead 3-2 after 5. Quartey clearly wins round 6 when both guys go down, because he controls the round after the 2 KDs. DLH loses the next 3 rounds, 7 through 9. Quartey didn't do that much, but surely did more than DLH, who did basically nothing. Oscar has to win the next 3 rounds to win the fight. Round 10 was close and I gave it to him, and you have to again be generous to give him the 11th. Even the commentators were saying "DLH has done little this round", and then he cornered Quartey and threw a combo, but none landed.

    You have to be extremely generous to give DLH 6 rounds, that means winning 3 of the first 5, and giving him the 11th, which was dubious.

    Yes, that is very questionable.

    The Whitaker fight was very close and could've gone either way. I had it even. I had little problem with the decision, but 9-3 cards are out of line. But yes, a close fight that can go either way, is a questionable decision.

    That's 3 questionable decisions that went his way, as opposed to 2 that went against him.

    The Mosley rematch was another very close fight that wasn't easy to score, but somehow it's become described some outrageously bad decision, like it was the 2003 version of Escalera-Everett. Only 8 of the sportwriters polled at ringside had DLH ahead. It was a real close fight, I don't buy that Compubox crap.

    The Trinidad fight, as I already described, was closer than people often say it was, but I had DLH ahead.

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      #152
      Originally posted by lparm
      Don't rely on TheRing belt so much. You'll be saying Vitali was the real hw champ after beating Sanders next lol
      Seriously.

      DLH got the Ring title after beating FRANCISCO CASTILLEJO. Yeah, what a champ! Then he unified against Fernando Vargas who won a vacant title by beating...JOSE FLORES...his SPARRING PARTNER.

      You can't make this stuff up.

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        #153
        based on the modern standard people use when talking about a.t.g's


        I'd say yes

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          #154
          Originally posted by lparm
          Don't rely on TheRing belt so much. You'll be saying Vitali was the real hw champ after beating Sanders next lol
          Haha good comeback.You still didn't answer my question. Which Prime Great fighter has BHOP beaten that didn't have to come up in weight?? Before you mention Trinidad, he wasn't ever a true Middleweight.

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            #155
            Originally posted by chicano79us
            Haha good comeback.You still didn't answer my question. Which Prime Great fighter has BHOP beaten that didn't have to come up in weight?? Before you mention Trinidad, he wasn't ever a true Middleweight.
            Why wasn't he a true middleweight?

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              #156
              you still need to keep in mind that Oscar fought in one of the best welterweight era's imo. Todays welterweight division is considered pretty solid and I see Oscar walking through all of them in his prime. Not easily, but he would win.

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                #157
                LOL, cmon guys lets not start up the "Was Tito a MW" crap. Let's leave that one for another 20 page thread.

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                  #158
                  Originally posted by IMDAZED
                  Why wasn't he a true middleweight?
                  Majority of Trinidad's career has been at Welter.

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                    #159
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Seriously.

                    DLH got the Ring title after beating FRANCISCO CASTILLEJO. Yeah, what a champ! Then he unified against Fernando Vargas who won a vacant title by beating...JOSE FLORES...his SPARRING PARTNER.

                    You can't make this stuff up.
                    DLH-Vargas was for the vacant Ring title.

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                      #160
                      Originally posted by them_apples
                      you still need to keep in mind that Oscar fought in one of the best welterweight era's imo. Todays welterweight division is considered pretty solid and I see Oscar walking through all of them in his prime. Not easily, but he would win.
                      Also the only WW you could have considered being better than Oscar was Tito, who IMO, Oscar should have gotten the decision against.

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