Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

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Majority of Trinidad's career has been at Welter.

So? Most of Roy Jones' career was at mw. I guess we can excuse any loss since he wasnt a natural lhw.

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LOL, cmon guys lets not start up the "Was Tito a MW" crap. Let's leave that one for another 20 page thread.

I have no problems with that. I just can't even believe someone would dare try to say Tito wasn't a real middle when Oscar De La Hoya has made THREE STRAIGHT FIGHTERS move up, two of them lightweights!

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DLH-Vargas was for the vacant Ring title.

Point still stands.

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So? Most of Roy Jones' career was at mw. I guess we can excuse any loss since he wasnt a natural lhw.

What do you mean "So"?? Doesn't change the fact that Hopkins was fighting a blown up welter. People are quick to hate on Oscar but deny **** when it comes to their fighters. Quit trying to flip ****.

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Also the only WW you could have considered being better than Oscar was Tito, who IMO, Oscar should have gotten the decision against.

No one really stood out as the top welterweight during that period. That was the disappointing thing about the matchups. Terrific fighters, but the fights, especially involving DLH, were close and all controversial decisions. Trinidad clearly beat Whitaker, but Whitaker had been inactive and in rehab.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I have no problems with that. I just can't even believe someone would dare try to say Tito wasn't a real middle when Oscar De La Hoya has made THREE STRAIGHT FIGHTERS move up, two of them lightweights!

I don't like the Pac fight any more than you. I would of rather watch Pac vs Marquez 3 & DLH vs Margarito.
Forbes fought Berto at 147, I didn't see him catch any heat.

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What do you mean "So"?? Doesn't change the fact that Hopkins was fighting a blown up welter. People are quick to hate on Oscar but deny **** when it comes to their fighters. Quit trying to flip ****.

Please define blown up welter.

Because blown up welters don't KO middleweight champs in five rounds...something NO ONE (not JERMAIN TAYLOR, not BERNARD HOPKINS) could do until Joppy was completely and utterly SHOT.

Blown up welters don't ruin two careers at 154 like Tito did.

Wanna see someone blown up? Take a look at Oscar's last fight. See that little man called Forbes? Yeah, you get the point.

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I don't like the Pac fight any more than you. I would of rather watch Pac vs Marquez 3 & DLH vs Margarito.
Forbes fought Berto at 147, I didn't see him catch any heat.

I don't see anyone calling Berto an ATG either.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Please define blown up welter.

Because blown up welters don't KO middleweight champs in five rounds...something NO ONE (not JERMAIN TAYLOR, not BERNARD HOPKINS) could do until Joppy was completely and utterly SHOT.

Blown up welters don't ruin two careers at 154 like Tito did.

Wanna see someone blown up? Take a look at Oscar's last fight. See that little man called Forbes? Yeah, you get the point.

Cause Joppy is great like Bernard Hopkins right??

[Mr. Fantastic]

I don't see anyone calling Berto an ATG either.

Even before this thread was made, people were talking **** about DLH but when it came to Berto, there was crickets.