Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

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[tykilroy]

Nope. Lost to tito, mosley twice, hopkins, floyd and really lost to sturm. Beat a weak gatti, shot chavez and over rated vargas. Where is the great in this resume. He was known for being the first Mexican fighter that spoke english and was actually from the US.

He beat Tito and beat Mosley the 2nd fight. The PBF fight should've of been a draw if anything.

[Dan...]

He beat Tito and beat Mosley the 2nd fight. The PBF fight should've of been a draw if anything.

My god. Floyd won that fight. Clearly.

[xcaret]

Nope. Lost to tito, mosley twice, hopkins, floyd and really lost to sturm. Beat a weak gatti, shot chavez and over rated vargas. Where is the great in this resume. He was known for being the first Mexican fighter that spoke english and was actually from the US.

Michael Carbajal.................. your an idiot.

[lparm]

Um didn't DLH have a Ring Belt @ 154 before?? Doesn't the Ring Belt recognize someone being the best in the Division?? How can you beat the best when you are?? I could respect your opinion though. If Mayweather, Hopkins, Tito, RJJ, Chavez, could be ATGs, so can Oscar.

He had a Ring belt for beating Vargas but he avoided Winky who for years was one of the best and eventually proved he was the best at 154. If DLH won the Ring belt by beating Winky who might be an ATG at jr middle then I'd give him more credit than beating Vargas who like DLH has lost to every major champ he fought except Winky who arguably was robbed. All the names you listed beat the best in their division, Hop cleaned out 160, Tito beat DLH to clean out 147, RJJ cleaned out 175, JCC beat major champs in several divisions before he got a gift vs Whitaker. What has DLH done to compare to them? Name one prime great fighter DLH beat...Name one.

[FloydsEra]

watch all his fights and ignore the judges' decisions. Then you will understand why Oscar is an ATG

[Thread Stealer]

Finishing stronger and getting the decision over Trinidad would've helped his legacy quite a bit.

I don't know about the Mosley rematch though. Mosley hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He looked like his confidence had been somewhat broken against Forrest.

I guess it would've still helped somewhat, since Mosley was a top name and on steroids, but nowhere near as much as it would've it he'd finished stronger and won against Tito.

[Thread Stealer]

watch all his fights and ignore the judges' decisions. Then you will understand why Oscar is an ATG

DLH has gotten more questionable decisions IN his favor, not against him.

[lparm]

DLH has gotten more questionable decisions IN his favor, not against him.

Prime example the robbery vs Sturm so DLH-Hop could happen.

[Mr. Fantastic]

He had a Ring belt for beating Vargas but he avoided Winky who for years was one of the best and eventually proved he was the best at 154. If DLH won the Ring belt by beating Winky who might be an ATG at jr middle then I'd give him more credit than beating Vargas who like DLH has lost to every major champ he fought except Winky who arguably was robbed. All the names you listed beat the best in their division, Hop cleaned out 160, Tito beat DLH to clean out 147, RJJ cleaned out 175, JCC beat major champs in several divisions before he got a gift vs Whitaker. What has DLH done to compare to them? Name one prime great fighter DLH beat...Name one.

Not giving Oscar credit for winning the Ring belt is like not giving credit to Floyd for winning it @ 147 when he beat Baldy.

You honestly think Tito really beat DLH?? Serious question
DLH's only loses have come to HOFs, he didn't lose to the Tarvers or Montel Griffins(DQ) like Jones, did he??

Name me a great prime fighter that didn't HAVE TO GO UP IN WEIGHT that Bernard Hopkins beat?? Works both ways bro.