Floyd mayweather Jr

[IronDanHamza]

Your exactly the kind of brown nosing fans I was talking about, keeping mayweathers name clean. This is the sport of fighting, manny has to kiss Floyd's royal feet with a chance of still hearing another demand or an excuse. Mayweather fans turn it around by saying ohhhhhh now he wants to take the test. Yeh he does so where are you??? kissing Marquez on the lips

I'm just talking what actually happened when they actually negotiated.

The fact he wants to take the test years later I just find amusing considered that's the sole reason the negotiations broke down. Nothing more than that.

After the fight broke down because of Pacquaio and they both became clear superstars with huge pay cheques for every fight neither of them wanted to fight each other. A lot of posturing from both sides.

[likeamulekick]

I'm just talking what actually happened when they actually negotiated.

The fact he wants to take the test years later I just find amusing considered that's the sole reason the negotiations broke down. Nothing more than that.

After the fight broke down because of Pacquaio and they both became clear superstars with huge pay cheques for every fight neither of them wanted to fight each other. A lot of posturing from both sides.

maybe your not a brown noser maybe just gullible. Mayweather is the same in the ring as he is out the ring. Pick pocket the most money you can while avoiding as much risk as possible.

[Scott9945]

I used it as an example of a fighter not fighting another one. Obviously Ali fought him in the end, just like Mayweather-Pacquaio might happen but for a while he wouldn't fight Norton without a big pay cheque and was getting criticism for that.

I don't remember that. The first two fights came off in a timely manner, and the 3rd fight happened when it should. Money always matters so I'm sure that delayed it somewhat.

Not for 10 Million per Lb it hadn't. That's an unprecedented demand and a ridiculous one at that. Much more ridiculous as both fighters having to take simple drug testing procedures, one that he actually would come to accept and use years down the line which makes the whole thing even more laughable than it was at the time.

Wanted to protect himself? That's absolutely ridiculous. Protect himself from what? Mayweather weighing in above the 147 lb limit? Something that has 0% chance of happening? It was nothing more than posturing.

So, Pacquaio asking for 10 Million per Lb is to "Protect himself" (Which Mayweather agreed to) but Mayweather asking for both men to take stricter testing isn't? That's an "excuse" (I'm guessing it's confirmed Mayweather can see the future and would know Pacquaio would refuse that)

Pacquaio wasn't willing to do anything "Later", not atleast anything in actual reality. He said he would do this and do that but there was never any actual negotiations other than the first time, the one that he turned down and walked away from.

Everything after that was just posturing by both sides because both sides were at a point where they didn't need each other to make a lot of money.

The only time the fight actually came close to happening, which was late 2009-Early 2010 negotiations, Pacquaio turned it down and walked away.

Since it had zero percent chance of happening, what is the issue? It was probably thrown in as a negotiating tactic and Floyd chose to accept it. If he didn't and everything was agreeable, I'm almost certain the fight would have been made. It is irrelevant to any enhanced drug testing clauses.

It takes two parties to negotiate. Pacquaio offered to compromise, but apparently it was a non starter. You can be sure there were at least informal discussions about this match being made later.

I've always believed the major reason for this fight not being made (eventually) was the severe acrimony between Arum and Schaefer/Haymon. And since (like you said) both fighters were making top dollar, they didn't feel the urgency to override their representitives.

[joseph5620]

Your exactly the kind of brown nosing fans I was talking about, keeping mayweathers name clean. This is the sport of fighting, manny has to kiss Floyd's royal feet with a chance of still hearing another demand or an excuse. Mayweather fans turn it around by saying ohhhhhh now he wants to take the test. Yeh he does so where are you??? kissing Marquez on the lips

The fact remains that there were no other "demands" that you are speaking about other than the drug testing. Everything was agreed to including the 50/50 split.

Fact: Pacquiao's refusal to go through the testing procedures (that every Mayweather opponent since had agreed to) is why negotiations broke down.

Your assumptions that there would have been more demands is your personal fantasy scenario that never happened. That has no credibility when discussing the history of the facts.

[likeamulekick]

The fact remains that there were no other "demands" that you are speaking about other than the drug testing. Everything was agreed to including the 50/50 split.

Fact: Pacquiao's refusal to go through the testing procedures (that every Mayweather opponent since had agreed to) is why negotiations broke down.

Your assumptions that there would have been more demands is your personal fantasy scenario that never happened. That has no credibility when discussing the history of the facts.

Fair enough but I just don't buy it. But boxing negotiations are never simple and mayweathers shown that he's done his best to avoid it and the fact that manny has stated that he will take the test and mayweather still not making the fight and countless demands, is why I have this personal little fantasy.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't remember that. The first two fights came off in a timely manner, and the 3rd fight happened when it should. Money always matters so I'm sure that delayed it somewhat.

Ali would not fight Norton the 3rd time without a healthy sum of money and a lot of people were on his back for it. Eventually he got the money he was asking for, he wouldn't have fought him again otherwise and he made that quite clear.

Since it had zero percent chance of happening, what is the issue? It was probably thrown in as a negotiating tactic and Floyd chose to accept it. If he didn't and everything was agreeable, I'm almost certain the fight would have been made. It is irrelevant to any enhanced drug testing clauses.

It takes two parties to negotiate. Pacquaio offered to compromise, but apparently it was a non starter. You can be sure there were at least informal discussions about this match being made later.

There was no issue. Hence why he accepted it. It was a ridiculous demand, one of which he accepted with no issues because the chances of Mayweather missing the 147 limit are impossible.

So now it was a negotiating tactic? No **** it was a negotiating tactic. I thought it was to "Protect himself"?

It's not irrelevant to the drug testing at all because your way of giving Pacquaio a pass for outright turning down a fight is because it was an "Unprecedented demand" yet he himself had unprecedented demands. And not only that, his demands were far more ridiculous anyway.

It's baffling to me in general to give a guy a pass for turning down a fight over something that should be a complete non-issue. The weight clause was a non-issue just like it should have been. The drug testing should have been a non-issue until the other fighter refused it. And to make the whole thing even more of a laughing stock, the guy who refused it and walked away then agrees to it years down the line. Yet this somehow get's switced around. Baffling.

Yes there were likely discussions on so forth but never an actual negotiation unlike the 2009/2010 one's in which Pacquaio turned down.

I've always believed the major reason for this fight not being made (eventually) was the severe acrimony between Arum and Schaefer/Haymon. And since (like you said) both fighters were making top dollar, they didn't feel the urgency to override their representitives.

That's one of a few reasons.

After all, that original breakdown in negotiations between Mayweather and Pacquaio is what really caused this whole cold war between the promoters in the first place.

Neither side needed this fight for a long time.

Pacquaio however does need the fight now which would explain why he's willing to do anything now to get it.

[IronDanHamza]

maybe your not a brown noser maybe just gullible. Mayweather is the same in the ring as he is out the ring. Pick pocket the most money you can while avoiding as much risk as possible.

No, I'm not.

All I'm doing is speaking on what actually happened when the sole time the fight was close to getting made and that was Pacquaio turned it down. Mayweather could well have come up with more "demands", but that's something we'll never know because again Pacquaio turned down and walked away from the fight.

Everything since then has been nothing but talking through the media from both sides. There's never been any negotiations since that fight and a whole lot of posturing and "I want this and I want that" from both sides.

[Scott9945]

There was no issue. Hence why he accepted it. It was a ridiculous demand, one of which he accepted with no issues because the chances of Mayweather missing the 147 limit are impossible.

So now it was a negotiating tactic? No **** it was a negotiating tactic. I thought it was to "Protect himself"?

It's not irrelevant to the drug testing at all because you're way of giving Pacquaio a pass for outright turning down a fight is because it was an "Unprecedented demand" yet he himself had unprecedented demands. And not only that, his demands were far more ridiculous anyway.

It's baffling to me in general to give a guy a pass for turning down a fight over something that should be a complete non-issue. The weight clause was a non-issue just like it should have been. The drug testing should have been a non-issue until the other fighter refused it. And to make the whole thing even more of a laughing stock, the guy who refused it and walked away then agrees to it years down the line. Yet this somehow get's switced around. Baffling.

Yes there were likely discussions on so forth but never an actual negotiation unlike the 2009/2010 one's in which Pacquaio turned down.






That's one of a few reasons.

After all, that original breakdown in negotiations between Mayweather and Pacquaio is what really caused this whole cold war between the promoters in the first place.

Neither side needed this fight for a long time.

Pacquaio however does need the fight now which would explain why he's willing to do anything now to get it.

The weight clause was no doubt included because of Floyd's blatant arrogance of missing weight in the Marquez fight, only having to pay a nominal fine. So there was genuine precedent that caused this concern. The drug testing clause was initiated by Floyd's demented father's concerns about Pacquiao's rapid rise in weight without any diminishing skills. But there was no precedent. Eventually Mayweather had to pay Pac an undisclosed settlement for his unfounded accusations.

I usually try to simplify things. Mayweather had seen all of Manny's recent fights. Either he thought he could beat him, or he wasn't so sure. If he thought he was the better fighter he should have gone along with the standard NSAC testing and won the fight and made a fortune. Pacquaio chose to walk away from that unprecedented demand thinking he was being dictated to. That was his choice and he's been able to live with it. I've never faulted him for that. Better testing should be initiated by the state commissions, not by clauses in fight contracts.

[likeamulekick]

No, I'm not.

All I'm doing is speaking on what actually happened when the sole time the fight was close to getting made and that was Pacquaio turned it down. Mayweather could well have come up with more "demands", but that's something we'll never know because again Pacquaio turned down and walked away from the fight.

Everything since then has been nothing but talking through the media from both sides. There's never been any negotiations since that fight and a whole lot of posturing and "I want this and I want that" from both sides.

No, pacquiao is the only one compromising and trying to make the fight happen, you think mayweather wants the fight, what gives you the impression he does?

[IronDanHamza]

The weight clause was no doubt included because of Floyd's blatant arrogance of missing weight in the Marquez fight, only having to pay a nominal fine. So there was genuine precedent that caused this concern. The drug testing clause was initiated by Floyd's demented father's concerns about Pacquiao's rapid rise in weight without any diminishing skills. But there was no precedent. Eventually Mayweather had to pay Pac an undisclosed settlement for his unfounded accusations.

Mayweather missed a 144 lb catchweight. He'd never missed 147 and would never miss 147. The fight between Pacquaio and Mayweather was agreed at 147 lbs.

There is absolutely no concern or fear what so ever that he would miss 147 lbs. None, zero. They made that (Unprecedented) demand to posture and nothing more. Mayweather accepted it with no issue. Shame that can't be said for everyone.

You use that settlement as if it somehow backs your argument. It doesn't, it makes it sound more ridiculous.

This guy, turned down a fight because a guy asked for testing, instead of fighting him, sued him, THEN years later agrees to and uses that exact same testing It's beyond pathetic.

I usually try to simplify things. Mayweather had seen all of Manny's recent fights. Either he thought he could beat him, or he wasn't so sure. If he thought he was the better fighter he should have gone along with the standard NSAC testing and won the fight and made a fortune. Pacquaio chose to walk away from that unprecedented demand thinking he was being dictated to. That was his choice and he's been able to live with it. I've never faulted him for that. Better testing should be initiated by the state commissions, not by clauses in fight contracts.

What does asking for both fighters to do testing have to do with who can win the fight? It's a simple, non-issue demand. Pacquaio made it an issue by turning it down.

I suppose if Mayweather turned down Pacquaio's demands because "He didn't want to be dictated to" it would be the same? I doubt it and if so that's just an absurd line of thinking.

What you're saying here is Pacquaio turned down the fight, which is a fact, he did, and his reasoning is "Because he didn't want to be dictated to" and that's somehow Mayweather's fault?

The last part's just silly. The exact same thing can be said for weight penalties. The Comission set those aswell.

Seems to me like it's one rule for one and another for the other.