Floyd mayweather Jr

[IronDanHamza]

I think there's no doubt now that mayweather did everything in his power to avoid manny by just demanding new things. You gotta remember that mayweather doesn't want the fight and pacquiao does. Pacquiao agreeing to a drug test is just him giving in to whatever mayweather wants just to get him to fight him. He litterally has to get on his hands and knees, it takes the piss and mayweather still just keeps quiet and hopes he gives up and let it die out with the help of his brown nosing fans. Ali fought norton, and yeh Robinson ducked burley but burley wasn't a big name like the pacman and doesn't compare to the demand of this fight. You can't just brush this one aside

What is Mayweather psychic? How did he know that Pacquaio would turn down a simple drug testing procedure?

Pacquaio walked away from the table and turned down the biggest fight in history the only actual time there was any actual negotiations.

[Ray Corso]

To describe Floyd as a "fighter" is simply the wrong word he is a "boxer"!
In comparison to fellows like Pete, Floyd is boring because he ptefers to counter move than counter punch and he eliminates the excitement that could elivate his status as a great competitor. The guy is boring! Does he have talent, yes he does, is he an ATG at Welterweight NO he is not!
He's another guy stuck inbetween weight classes at 140 (the junior BS weight) is he a Lightweight or Welter?
At Welter all time he gets beat up against alot of fighters, at Lightweight he has a better chance but can he make 135 at age 30 thru 36? I doubt it, he is smallish but he would grow out of it as Duran did once you reach your top physcal maturity.
So a possible top 15 lightweight and a top 30 at welter. If he were to compete in the "live gate era" then he's have to fight as well as box and I believe he has the skill set to do that and do well. However the boxing business that he currently "runs" as Promoter, Management, Trainer and Fighter is at his mercy to comply with his demands. Vegas has a welcomed son in Mayweather and he intern uses the Vegas boxing scene as the biggest advantage any pro boxer has ever had! He picks his own opponents, that he manages to use on his undercards, he writes off his entire entourage that he doesn't need to box, then he fights guys he knows will NOT try to win and even if they did their still not capable because their built up ordinary talents made to look good by boxing less than ordinary talents.
Mayweather has now rivaled Ali in promotion! He has built himself a ninch that is very impressive, funny thing is the current boxing public buys weither you rout for him or hate him he stills earns without any risks!
When the word risk gets eliminated from boxing the events eventually get boring! Thats where were at, stuck in mediocrity and bored!! Ray.

[Scott9945]

Robinson didn't Burley and reasoning was "I'm too pretty".

For a long time Ali was refusing to fight Norton unless for a load of money.

Pacquaio turned down and walked away from a 50-50 Split with Mayweather because he wouldn't take a drug test. I suppose 2-3 years later he agreed to it so that makes ok, or something.

Ali fought Norton three times, so that seems non applicable. Floyd demanded an unprecedented clause in the contract, and Pacquiao didn't like him having terms dictated to him. Entirely different circumstances.

[likeamulekick]

To describe Floyd as a "fighter" is simply the wrong word he is a "boxer"!
In comparison to fellows like Pete, Floyd is boring because he ptefers to counter move than counter punch and he eliminates the excitement that could elivate his status as a great competitor. The guy is boring! Does he have talent, yes he does, is he an ATG at Welterweight NO he is not!
He's another guy stuck inbetween weight classes at 140 (the junior BS weight) is he a Lightweight or Welter?
At Welter all time he gets beat up against alot of fighters, at Lightweight he has a better chance but can he make 135 at age 30 thru 36? I doubt it, he is smallish but he would grow out of it as Duran did once you reach your top physcal maturity.
So a possible top 15 lightweight and a top 30 at welter. If he were to compete in the "live gate era" then he's have to fight as well as box and I believe he has the skill set to do that and do well. However the boxing business that he currently "runs" as Promoter, Management, Trainer and Fighter is at his mercy to comply with his demands. Vegas has a welcomed son in Mayweather and he intern uses the Vegas boxing scene as the biggest advantage any pro boxer has ever had! He picks his own opponents, that he manages to use on his undercards, he writes off his entire entourage that he doesn't need to box, then he fights guys he knows will NOT try to win and even if they did their still not capable because their built up ordinary talents made to look good by boxing less than ordinary talents.
Mayweather has now rivaled Ali in promotion! He has built himself a ninch that is very impressive, funny thing is the current boxing public buys weither you rout for him or hate him he stills earns without any risks!
When the word risk gets eliminated from boxing the events eventually get boring! Thats where were at, stuck in mediocrity and bored!! Ray.

Well said, I gotta admit tho I do enjoy his perfection in the ring but that's the whole point if he's not over 90 percent sure he can dominate them he won't push for the fight and manny is a fighter that falls under that 90 percent

[likeamulekick]

What is Mayweather psychic? How did he know that Pacquaio would turn down a simple drug testing procedure?

Pacquaio walked away from the table and turned down the biggest fight in history the only actual time there was any actual negotiations.

To be honest, I don't think it was ever that black n white, mayweather was still in the process of making all of his millions of demands set. Just like when he said he would fight khan if the fans wanted it. Do you think if pacquiao had agreed that would be the end of his demands?? yep that's it we are ready to fight now manny...really?? Of course I can't be certain but it's pretty clear that's how mayweather operates. Imagine khan loses poll. I don't fight khan coz that's not wot the fans wanted. Just the same, fight wasn't made with manny coz he dint want give a lil drop of blood. Not saying khan has any hope but he stills one of the fastest boxers out there and just avoid any risk. At the end of the day manny is prepared to do it day of the fight and mayweather still keeps quiet or makes more demands. Mayweather does not want to fight manny period there's no debate

[IronDanHamza]

Ali fought Norton three times, so that seems non applicable. Floyd demanded an unprecedented clause in the contract, and Pacquiao didn't like him having terms dictated to him. Entirely different circumstances.

Where did I consider the circumstances to be similar?

Right. Pacquaio "Wasn't going to be dictated to with the unprecedented clause" (Despite having his own unprecedented demands himself which were accepted with no problems. I suppose his psychic powers aren't as powerful as Floyd's) yet 2-3 years down the line he accepts them anyway? Seems logical.

[IronDanHamza]

To be honest, I don't think it was ever that black n white, mayweather was still in the process of making all of his millions of demands set. Just like when he said he would fight khan if the fans wanted it. Do you think if pacquiao had agreed that would be the end of his demands?? yep that's it we are ready to fight now manny...really?? Of course I can't be certain but it's pretty clear that's how mayweather operates. Imagine khan loses poll. I don't fight khan coz that's not wot the fans wanted. Just the same, fight wasn't made with manny coz he dint want give a lil drop of blood. Not saying khan has any hope but he stills one of the fastest boxers out there and just avoid any risk. At the end of the day manny is prepared to do it day of the fight and mayweather still keeps quiet or makes more demands. Mayweather does not want to fight manny period there's no debate

I have no idea.

We didn't chance to see that because Pacquaio turned it down and walked away from the fight.

[Scott9945]

Where did I consider the circumstances to be similar?

Right. Pacquaio "Wasn't going to be dictated to with the unprecedented clause" (Despite having his own unprecedented demands himself which were accepted with no problems. I suppose his psychic powers aren't as powerful as Floyd's) yet 2-3 years down the line he accepts them anyway? Seems logical.

You used the Ali-Norton example to reply to the topic. I assumed you considered them similar.

Which unprecedented demands did Pac demand? The penalties for coming in overweight? That had been done before, and it seemed like an obstacle that wouldn't affect the fighter in this case. Pacquiao had seen how Mayweather just blew off much smaller penalties against JMM and wanted to protect himself. Mayweather didn't have to agree to it if it made him uncomfortable. Pacquiao was willing to submit to private testing later (and not 2-3 years later either indicates that he was the one trying harder to get the fight made.

[likeamulekick]

I have no idea.

We didn't chance to see that because Pacquaio turned it down and walked away from the fight.

Your exactly the kind of brown nosing fans I was talking about, keeping mayweathers name clean. This is the sport of fighting, manny has to kiss Floyd's royal feet with a chance of still hearing another demand or an excuse. Mayweather fans turn it around by saying ohhhhhh now he wants to take the test. Yeh he does so where are you??? kissing Marquez on the lips

[IronDanHamza]

You used the Ali-Norton example to reply to the topic. I assumed you considered them similar.

I used it as an example of a fighter not fighting another one. Obviously Ali fought him in the end, just like Mayweather-Pacquaio might happen but for a while he wouldn't fight Norton without a big pay cheque and was getting criticism for that.

Which unprecedented demands did Pac demand? The penalties for coming in overweight? That had been done before, and it seemed like an obstacle that wouldn't affect the fighter in this case. Pacquiao had seen how Mayweather just blew off much smaller penalties against JMM and wanted to protect himself. Mayweather didn't have to agree to it if it made him uncomfortable. Pacquiao was willing to submit to private testing later (and not 2-3 years later either indicates that he was the one trying harder to get the fight made.

Not for 10 Million per Lb it hadn't. That's an unprecedented demand and a ridiculous one at that. Much more ridiculous as both fighters having to take simple drug testing procedures, one that he actually would come to accept and use years down the line which makes the whole thing even more laughable than it was at the time.

Wanted to protect himself? That's absolutely ridiculous. Protect himself from what? Mayweather weighing in above the 147 lb limit? Something that has 0% chance of happening? It was nothing more than posturing.

So, Pacquaio asking for 10 Million per Lb is to "Protect himself" (Which Mayweather agreed to) but Mayweather asking for both men to take stricter testing isn't? That's an "excuse" (I'm guessing it's confirmed Mayweather can see the future and would know Pacquaio would refuse that)

Pacquaio wasn't willing to do anything "Later", not atleast anything in actual reality. He said he would do this and do that but there was never any actual negotiations other than the first time, the one that he turned down and walked away from.

Everything after that was just posturing by both sides because both sides were at a point where they didn't need each other to make a lot of money.

The only time the fight actually came close to happening, which was late 2009-Early 2010 negotiations, Pacquaio turned it down and walked away.