Floyd mayweather Jr

[IronDanHamza]

No, pacquiao is the only one compromising and trying to make the fight happen, you think mayweather wants the fight, what gives you the impression he does?

I don't think Mayweather wants the fight nor do I think Pacquaio wanted it until he got knocked out by Marquez.

[RubenSonny]

The weight clause was no doubt included because of Floyd's blatant arrogance of missing weight in the Marquez fight, only having to pay a nominal fine. So there was genuine precedent that caused this concern. The drug testing clause was initiated by Floyd's demented father's concerns about Pacquiao's rapid rise in weight without any diminishing skills. But there was no precedent. Eventually Mayweather had to pay Pac an undisclosed settlement for his unfounded accusations.

I usually try to simplify things. Mayweather had seen all of Manny's recent fights. Either he thought he could beat him, or he wasn't so sure. If he thought he was the better fighter he should have gone along with the standard NSAC testing and won the fight and made a fortune. Pacquaio chose to walk away from that unprecedented demand thinking he was being dictated to. That was his choice and he's been able to live with it. I've never faulted him for that. Better testing should be initiated by the state commissions, not by clauses in fight contracts.

Actually Pacquiao didnt set the precedent against Mayweather he set it against Morales in their rematch and it had never been done before, he also did it against Cotto care to explain that? Yet apparantly Mayweather shouldn't be making unprecedented demands?

Why does something being unprecedented inherently mean it should be refused anyway?

[Scott9945]

What does asking for both fighters to do testing have to do with who can win the fight? It's a simple, non-issue demand. Pacquaio made it an issue by turning it down.

I suppose if Mayweather turned down Pacquaio's demands because "He didn't want to be dictated to" it would be the same? I doubt it and if so that's just an absurd line of thinking.

What you're saying here is Pacquaio turned down the fight, which is a fact, he did, and his reasoning is "Because he didn't want to be dictated to" and that's somehow Mayweather's fault?

The last part's just silly. The exact same thing can be said for weight penalties. The Comission set those aswell.

Seems to me like it's one rule for one and another for the other.

No, it was an issue because Floyd brought it up, not because Pacquaio declined it. You seem to think he is entitled to demand these terms, and I don't. It was a power play by Mayweather and if you can't see how that was offensive, I can't offer anything else. Of course that was his fault. And actually Pacquaio did agree to some testing, just not too close to the fight.

Once again you are trying to equate weight making clauses and enhanced drug testing. Right or wrong, they are not. Floyd shouldn't have agreed to any weight penalties he had problems with it. But he didn't and it seems that his fans were the ones who were most offended. If that killed the fight then I wouldn't have blamed Mayweather. But because he agreed to one unrelated clause it is absurd to say that Pacquaio should agree to the other one because there is one rule for one and not the other.

We're starting to go in circles here so I'll allow you the last word here if you wish.

[IronDanHamza]

Actually Pacquiao didnt set the precedent against Mayweather he set it against Morales in their rematch and it had never been done before, he also did it against Cotto care to explain that? Yet apparantly Mayweather shouldn't be making unprecedented demands?

Why does something being unprecedented inherently mean it should be refused anyway?

That's also something I was going to say.

Why does it matter if it's unprecedented? It's not a difficult thing to accept, it's not a crazy demand, it's a simple one.

And the worst part of all is he's actually accepted it all these years later That's what's funny to me. All that huffing and puffing, the guy filed a lawsuit! Yet no one talks about how ridiculous that is in itself let alone to use those stipulation demands years down the line.

[IronDanHamza]

No, it was an issue because Floyd brought it up, not because Pacquaio declined it. You seem to think he is entitled to demand these terms, and I don't. It was a power play by Mayweather and if you can't see how that was offensive, I can't offer anything else. Of course that was his fault. And actually Pacquaio did agree to some testing, just not too close to the fight.

No, it was an issue because he declined it. He had a choice to accept it or decline it and he chose to decline it.

Just as Mayweather did but he chose to accept Pacquaio's demands.

Oh so asking for testing is offensive now? This just get's more ridiculous by the post.

So far we have;

Pacquaio demanded weight stipulations "to protect himself"

Pacquaio is entitled to turn down and walk away from the fight because he "refuses to be dictated to" but it's fine and dandy for him to dictate to others

And now he can throw in that it's ok for Pacquaio to turn down the fight because he was "offended" by being asked to take part in a drug testing procedure.

So, you're saying here that's it's Mayweather's fault that Pacquaio turned down the fight? It's as if Mayweather somehow knew he would turn it down. How did he know? I really want to know how he knew.

The facts are both made demands, one accepted the other didn't. You're saying the one who rejected it isn't to blame but the one who accepted it is. Doesn't make any sense. And the all sorts of ridiculous points to support it show that.

Pacquaio agreed to testing but not the testing being requested so it's irrelevant.

Once again you are trying to equate weight making clauses and enhanced drug testing. Right or wrong, they are not. Floyd shouldn't have agreed to any weight penalties he had problems with it. But he didn't and it seems that his fans were the ones who were most offended. If that killed the fight then I wouldn't have blamed Mayweather. But because he agreed to one unrelated clause it is absurd to say that Pacquaio should agree to the other one because there is one rule for one and not the other.

We're starting to go in circles here so I'll allow you the last word here if you wish.

"Floyd shouldn't have agreed to weight penalities" Why the hell not? I can't fathom this line of thinking.

Why are you suggesting that these fighters turn down the most basic and simple requests that lead to the fall out of the fight? I don't understand.

How about both of them accept them and make the fight? Doesn't that make more sense?

Instead of "Well both of them should have rejected it". No, both of them should have accepted it.

I'm not saying the last part I'm merely using your logic.

Your reasoning to give a pass to Pacquaio for turning down the fight and actually blame Mayweather for it is "He shouldn't be dictated to" yet Pacquaio can dictate whatever he wants and that's fine. That's what it keeps coming back to.

What difference does it make if the demands are unrelated? They relate to each other in the sense they are both unprecedented demands (Which are seemingly oh so important in this situation).

[likeamulekick]

I think manny still wants the fight, even IF it's just for the money which I don't believe he still wants it and the fans want the fight. What more is there to say?it's all in mayweathers hands and guess what, he doesn't want the fight. Mayweather could make this fight happen no question, especially now with pacquiao as a clear underdog and willing to take testing and be more lenient but no fight. What more proof do you need than that

[IronDanHamza]

I think manny still wants the fight, even IF it's just for the money which I don't believe he still wants it and the fans want the fight. What more is there to say?it's all in mayweathers hands and guess what, he doesn't want the fight. Mayweather could make this fight happen no question, especially now with pacquiao as a clear underdog and willing to take testing and be more lenient but no fight. What more proof do you need than that

Yeah I think he wants the fight now.. I don't think he wanted it until he got knocked out by Marquez. He has nothing to lose now.

Mayweather doesn't care about the fight, he doesn't need Pacquaio.

I'm not interested in the fight any way at this point because I don't know what Pacquaio has left since the KO. If he beats Bradley in April then that would spark my interest again but at this point I don't care for the fight.

[Scott9945]

Actually Pacquiao didnt set the precedent against Mayweather he set it against Morales in their rematch and it had never been done before, he also did it against Cotto care to explain that? Yet apparantly Mayweather shouldn't be making unprecedented demands?

Why does something being unprecedented inherently mean it should be refused anyway?

I'm a little confused here. Are you talking about catchweights, or penalties for not making weight? There was a catchweight for Cotto and Margarito. That caused Floyd to call Pacquiao the "Catchweight King". Of course when it suited him, Floyd imposed the same thing for the Alvarez fight. So I guess we have a new catchweight king. Cotto has also used catchweights in two fights since then, so I guess it wasn't so wrong for him either.

If something is unprecedented, it shouldn't be expected to be agreed on if the other party has an issue with it.

[RubenSonny]

I'm a little confused here. Are you talking about catchweights, or penalties for not making weight? There was a catchweight for Cotto and Margarito. That caused Floyd to call Pacquiao the "Catchweight King". Of course when it suited him, Floyd imposed the same thing for the Alvarez fight. So I guess we have a new catchweight king. Cotto has also used catchweights in two fights since then, so I guess it wasn't so wrong for him either.

If something is unprecedented, it shouldn't be expected to be agreed on if the other party has an issue with it.

The additional weight penalties, and this isn't the first time I have brought this up to you. Before Pacquiao-Morales II it was unprecedented.

[IronDanHamza]

The additional weight penalties, and this isn't the first time I have brought this up to you. Before Pacquiao-Morales II it was unprecedented.

Should Morales have rejected those "Unprecedented demands" because he was offended? Refused to dictated to or should he just accept that Pacquaio's making them "For his own safety?"

And if he did reject the demands would that be ok? Who would be to blame for the fall out I wonder?