Floyd mayweather Jr

[Sugar Adam Ali]

After reading the last few posts, I just wanna say it sucks that Floyd and manny never fought when it really mattered, but I don't think manny didn't want to fight him.. I'm pretty sure manny would fight whoever arum told him to, it's just that no one told manny to fight Floyd

[Scott9945]

The additional weight penalties, and this isn't the first time I have brought this up to you. Before Pacquiao-Morales II it was unprecedented.

I thought it had been in other fight contracts before, but I don't have any specific examples handy so I'll concede that it is true. I'm not aware of any weight penalties for the Cotto fight. But I do assume there are a lot of items in fight contracts that we never hear about, especially after they become moot.

[IronDanHamza]

I thought it had been in other fight contracts before, but I don't have any specific examples handy so I'll concede that it is true. I'm not aware of any weight penalties for the Cotto fight. But I do assume there are a lot of items in fight contracts that we never hear about, especially after they become moot.

So why is it Ok for Pacquaio to make unprecedented demands to other fighters (To which all have been accepted no problem) yet when it's the other way around it's a problem?

The clause for Cotto was for every Lb he comes in over 145 lbs he had to pay 1 million dollars. What was his reasoning for that one? His safety?

[Scott9945]

Should Morales have rejected those "Unprecedented demands" because he was offended? Refused to dictated to or should he just accept that Pacquaio's making them "For his own safety?"

And if he did reject the demands would that be ok? Who would be to blame for the fall out I wonder?

Of course it would be okay. If you don't like the terms of a contract, don't sign it. If you do, live with it. Morales wanted he fight and the money. He made his choice. If Pacquiao needed the money bad enough, he might have been compliant.

Once again, Pacquaio did agree to some drug testing. Just not so close to the fight. I wish he did agree and sign, but that doesn't matter at all.

[IronDanHamza]

After reading the last few posts, I just wanna say it sucks that Floyd and manny never fought when it really mattered, but I don't think manny didn't want to fight him.. I'm pretty sure manny would fight whoever arum told him to, it's just that no one told manny to fight Floyd

I.e A whole lot of posturing and "Media negotiations".

[IronDanHamza]

Of course it would be okay. If you don't like the terms of a contract, don't sign it. If you do, live with it. Morales wanted he fight and the money. He made his choice. If Pacquiao needed the money bad enough, he might have been compliant.

Once again, Pacquaio did agree to some drug testing. Just not so close to the fight. I wish he did agree and sign, but that doesn't matter at all.

Well there lies the problem. You're ok with fighters rejecting fights with ridiculous reasoning.

Pacquaio agreed to some testing not the testing.

That's like Mayweather turning down the weight penalty but agreeing to do $5 Million per Lb. That's not what's being requested so it's completely irrelevant.

I think anyone with a grain of sense wish that he would have agreed and signed. Instead he didn't and we didn't get it. But that's OK!

[Scott9945]

Well there lies the problem. You're ok with fighters rejecting fights with ridiculous reasoning.

Pacquaio agreed to some testing not the testing.

That's like Mayweather turning down the weight penalty but agreeing to do $5 Million per Lb. That's not what's being requested so it's completely irrelevant.

I think anyone with a grain of sense wish that he would have agreed and signed. Instead he didn't and we didn't get it. But that's OK!

I'm pretty sure that Mayweather could have negotiated that down to 5 million with little problem. This is business, and parties generally find terms that they are all agreeable with.

It seems odd that you think if Pacquiao agreed to some testing, he should have agreed to even more testing. That he agreed to any non required test was already a concession. What if it was demanded that he have blood drawn the morning of the fight? Would that be reasonable, or are they supposed to look for an acceptable condition for both parties?

[IronDanHamza]

I'm pretty sure that Mayweather could have negotiated that down to 5 million with little problem. This is business, and parties generally find terms that they are all agreeable with.

It seems odd that you think if Pacquiao agreed to some testing, he should have agreed to even more testing. That he agreed to any non required test was already a concession. What if it was demanded that he have blood drawn the morning of the fight? Would that be reasonable, or are they supposed to look for an acceptable condition for both parties?

Or maybe he could just accept what's being asked for.

He gave Pacquaio two chances to accept two different dates and he refused both.

The drug testing being requested was absolutely reasonable for both men and something that's been done numerous times now by plenty of fighters in Boxing since.

The only person it wasn't OK for is Pacquaio.

No I'm not saying he agreed to some but should agree to more, I'm saying he should agree to what's being asked. He didn't agree to what was being asked.

What I find more odd is that you are happy with fighters declining and walking away from fights for the poorest of reasons and don't consider them to blame despite being the sole reason it fell through and not only that somehow consider the other side to be the blame. I not only find that odd I find it baffling.

[Scott9945]

Or maybe he could just accept what's being asked for.

He gave Pacquaio two chances to accept two different dates and he refused both.

The drug testing being requested was absolutely reasonable for both men and something that's been done numerous times now by plenty of fighters in Boxing since.

The only person it wasn't OK for is Pacquaio.

No I'm not saying he agreed to some but should agree to more, I'm saying he should agree to what's being asked. He didn't agree to what was being asked.

What I find more odd is that you are happy with fighters declining and walking away from fights for the poorest of reasons and don't consider them to blame despite being the sole reason it fell through and not only that somehow consider the other side to be the blame. I not only find that odd I find it baffling.

The "poorest of reasons"? Apparently we see these issues quite differently. I don't want this to deteriorate so I'm done with it, at least for tonight.

[IronDanHamza]

The "poorest of reasons"? Apparently we see these issues quite differently. I don't want this to deteriorate so I'm done with it, at least for tonight.

Well yeah. "I refuse to take a simple drug testing procedure (That I will later accept and use in my fights)" Is a pretty poor damn reason.

I'd also like to know why it's ok for Pacquaio to make unprecedented demands but when he's asked to it's a problem?

Apparently Pacquaio's reasoning for asking Mayweather for an absurd amount for a weight penalty clause is to "protect himself" so what was his reason to Cotto?