Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

[billeau2]

Things don’t automatically improve with time. They improve if we try to improve them, and by improving it means all inputs must be the same when measuring improvement.

as others had said, boxing has declined. Writers have declined as well because reading books isn’t the first world medium anymore. If we all picked up swords and shields again, I’m absolutely positive we wouldn’t win on a battlefield in 1250 a.d. because a lot of strategies, tactics and training have long since been lost.

boxings rules have changed and so has the times we live in. Professional boxing is a lot more like amatuer boxing now. Old professional boxing was a dangerous sport full of strategists, often with styles unique to fighting gyms. Everyone now fights the same, isn't creative and really, in comparison has no heart. As soon as they get hit you can tell it bothers them to no end.

even in sports with apparent athletic enhancement, I like to think I already proved this wrong with the Jesse Owens post. In boxing, theres no way the champion from the great depression would ever lose to a contemporary heavyweight lol. Not in any world. Sorry. You cant just view tapes to decide, once they were in the ring together - all things being equal - time would tell even if it took a few rounds.

this is what I think would happen if we actually pitted eras against eachother:

1: most oldschool champ would surprise everyone today with how tough they are, and how much effort they put in.

2: old fighters got up off the canvas and fought back to avoid a stoppage. Scrambling to your feet and turtling doesn't mean you have heart - its begging for the ref to stop it.

3: some old styles would completely nullify modern methods, given the ref let it go.

4: the contemporary fighters would gas faster. Not because they aren’t in shape, but they lack the experience and skills to know how to pace themselves and fight in an energy conserving state. (Lets be real, the amateur amir khan style of doing everything at 100 percent speed is not a smart way to fight and is one of the reasons he keeps getting knocked out).

5: contemporary fighters can lift more weight in the gym, but it wouldn’t show up in the ring, just like today how it doesn’t show up in the ring - yet we keep ****ing our heads against the wall and saying 2+2 = 5

I can’t think of anything better about todays boxers, outside of better career management and they sculpt their physiques to look good on tv. I want to say some of them are more athletic overall - I just don’t think it would matter or do much. I think the skills and mentality of past eras would be simply too much.


for example in this fantasy fight:

Canelo Alvarez vs Jake Lamotta. You can watch all you want Canelo dismantle a guy like Chavez jr or even struggle with GGG. But if you want a more accurate depiction of how this fight would play out - then first understand that Jake Lamotta isn't scared of Canelo nor would he respect him. This is the absolute biggest factor thats overlooked. Canelo gets tired but nobody presses him. Nobody imposes anything on him because they arent real champions and they don’t think they are the best. They are in it strictly for the money, and probably partake in the management aspect just as eagerly as their own managers do. Its about money and safety.

This post should be taken as an average. Not an absolute. Since obviously it varies fighter to fighter and era to era. Circumstance to circumstance.

Wow!! Just wow... This post should be stickied, including glued, backwards on the forehead of every size queen, so they see it every time they look in the mirror. Great description of how a Lamotta fight with Canelo would look. But... your description of the difference in boxing is sublime... Just so well described lol.

[billeau2]

- - Waiting for you to tell when Canelo who has never shown up out of shape or unable to make weight, well, please do pray tell us when he gets tired.

Canelo gasses when pressed and when having to pursue a real technically sound boxer puncher like Trout. Forget he Lara fight... its evident in the Austin Trout fight. Canelo is smart and knows how to cover up the gassing.... But he does gas.

[QueensburyRules]

Canelo gasses when pressed and when having to pursue a real technically sound boxer puncher like Trout. Forget he Lara fight... its evident in the Austin Trout fight. Canelo is smart and knows how to cover up the gassing.... But he does gas.

- - Need to stop inhaling U own sulfurous methane.

I'm ain't foeget Lady Lara running like a scalded cat like he did vs Paul Williams.

I ain't ferget Champ Trout saying he was gonna use his Man Strength on 22 yr old Kid Canelo before fleeing for his life in an open scoring bout where he could see how far behind he was every step of the way. Canelo never covered up. Late in the fight he backed to the ropes to stick his noggin out for free shots and made Trout miss every one of the couple dozen flurries he threw that exacerbated U Pheeeeww...

[Anthony342]

Karl Gotch... But Frank Gotch also had a reputation as a fitness icon.

Oh, very nice, as Borat would say.

[Willie Pep 229]

Everyone gasses to some extent . . . The two best I can think of are Marciano and Monzon, both seemed unnatural in their endurance.

[billeau2]

- - Need to stop inhaling U own sulfurous methane.

I'm ain't foeget Lady Lara running like a scalded cat like he did vs Paul Williams.

I ain't ferget Champ Trout saying he was gonna use his Man Strength on 22 yr old Kid Canelo before fleeing for his life in an open scoring bout where he could see how far behind he was every step of the way. Canelo never covered up. Late in the fight he backed to the ropes to stick his noggin out for free shots and made Trout miss every one of the couple dozen flurries he threw that exacerbated U Pheeeeww...

Lol. Very creative take... It's called boxing, not running.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol. Very creative take... It's called boxing, not running.

- - Boxing implies offense.

Lady Lara and Trout had none.

[Ascended]

Ttolls voted for joe yet never would land he would be done in a couple punches

[Ivich]

Who did Louis ko that was that great.. Who did he fight that was as dangerous as Ike... Honestly I think Ike ko's Louis and pretty quickly.. Just like how max and rocky did... Louis never fought anybody like Ike.... I dare anyone to to compare Ike to anyone on joe's resume... No doubt in my mind Ike walks thru joe's great combinations and lands thunder on him. Ike via ko4

Neither ko'd Louis,pretty quickly.

[JAB5239]

Ibeabuchi is greatly overrated in my opinion. He had good wins over Tua and Byrd, but that's it. And neither had the weapons Louis had.

Ike gets a couple of early knockdown, but his willingness to trade will be his doom. Joe was much to accurate with both hands and wears Ike down for either a late stoppage or UD.