Ike Ibeabuchi VS Joe Louis

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Its always hard to match up guys from the past against the present. Maybe Joe boxes him silly, maybe Ike blows him out in one round.

No its not how is it hard when they say how joe was more skilled even though he fought people who were stiff slow and missing advances in movement

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No its not how is it hard when they say how joe was more skilled even though he fought people who were stiff slow and missing advances in movement

Was Jersey Joe Walcott stiff with no movement? Hell his movement was far more advanced then than most boxers now and he was faster than heavyweights today.

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Was Jersey Joe Walcott stiff with no movement? Hell his movement was far more advanced then than most boxers now and he was faster than heavyweights today.

Agreed he wasnt stiff but still outdated I didnt bring him up cause you would shut that down by saying how joe beat him which has nothing to do with my point of moving

cause jers was the best mover before ali came and he made joe look like the rest stiff and slow you people say Joe was outta shape that doesn't matter cause every match joe moved that way jers only lost cause he went toe to toe

When jers was moving was he not hard to catch for joe or did I see wrong cause I watched that matched more then once and I seen joe tip toeing and not finding him often until jers stopped moving did you see this or no

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Was Jersey Joe Walcott stiff with no movement? Hell his movement was far more advanced then than most boxers now and he was faster than heavyweights today.

Jab has a point.

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Agreed he wasnt stiff but still outdated I didnt bring him up cause you would shut that down by saying how joe beat him which has nothing to do with my point of moving

cause jers was the best mover before ali came and he made joe look like the rest stiff and slow you people say Joe was outta shape that doesn't matter cause every match joe moved that way jers only lost cause he went toe to toe

When jers was moving was he not hard to catch for joe or did I see wrong cause I watched that matched more then once and I seen joe tip toeing and not finding him often until jers stopped moving did you see this or no

I think you're forgetting this was also an old Loiis who retired after this fight. My point remains, if Joe could catch such an innovative mover past his prime he would be able to land flush on a slower guy standing in front of him.

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When jers was moving was he not hard to catch for joe or did I see wrong cause I watched that matched more then once and I seen joe tip toeing and not finding him often until jers stopped moving did you see this or no and joe moved that way always so why are you saying he was old like that matters

It's funny you say that. I was watching Ike vs Byrd and thinking the same thing, and Walcott was a better mover than Byrd. You're also neglecting the fact Louis was no longer in his prime and retired after the Walcott fight. My point remains that Ibeabuchi would stand in front of Louis. No one can say for sure who would win, but I can say that Ike would be there to be hit more than he's ever been hit before, and against the greatest finisher in heavyweight history. I'll leave it at that.

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It's funny you say that. I was watching Ike vs Byrd and thinking the same thing, and Walcott was a better mover than Byrd. You're also neglecting the fact Louis was no longer in his prime and retired after the Walcott fight. My point remains that Ibeabuchi would stand in front of Louis. No one can say for sure who would win, but I can say that Ike would be there to be hit more than he's ever been hit before, and against the greatest finisher in heavyweight history. I'll leave it at that.

When jers was moving was he not hard to catch for joe or did I see wrong cause I watched that matched more then once and I seen joe tip toeing and not finding him often until jers stopped moving did you see this or no and joe moved that way always so why are you saying he was old like that matters i need a direct answer to the question nothing else

I wont breakdown ike cause I explained why he would destroy joe its obvious

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When jers was moving was he not hard to catch for joe or did I see wrong cause I watched that matched more then once and I seen joe tip toeing and not finding him often until jers stopped moving did you see this or no and joe moved that way always so why are you saying he was old like that matters i need a direct answer to the question nothing else

I wont breakdown ike cause I explained why he would destroy joe its obvious

Ok.....first off, Joe did have a difficult time landing g. But he kept breaking him down, timing him. Walcott had not only great footwork, but head movement. I don't understand what this would have to do with a fight with Ike though. Ibeabuchi isn't as fast as Jersey Joe, doesn't have the head movement, footwork or defense of Walcott and would be facing the best version of Louis, not the one fighting on the eve of retirement. Almost all the Intangibles are on Louis side. Speed, combination punching, defense, and finishing. Footwork can be a draw. Power may slightly favor Ike because of size, and obviously the weight difference. Other than those few things n gs everything including g experience goes to Louis.

And yes, I've seen every Louis fight available many, many times.

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Ok.....first off, Joe did have a difficult time landing g. But he kept breaking him down, timing him. Walcott had not only great footwork, but head movement. I don't understand what this would have to do with a fight with Ike though. Ibeabuchi isn't as fast as Jersey Joe, doesn't have the head movement, footwork or defense of Walcott and would be facing the best version of Louis, not the one fighting on the eve of retirement. Almost all the Intangibles are on Louis side. Speed, combination punching, defense, and finishing. Footwork can be a draw. Power may slightly favor Ike because of size, and obviously the weight difference. Other than those few things n gs everything including g experience goes to Louis.

And yes, I've seen every Louis fight available many, many times.

Ok so thats all I needed to know what it has to do with ike is ike would fight from angles like jers did jers had good punch angles same as jers the difference is ike hit way harder and was more advanced you really are crazy joe tip toeing will leave him to a drop just like jers did him easy but ike would keep him down in the 1st

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Ok so thats all I needed to know what it has to do with ike is ike would fight from angles like jers did jers had good punch angles same as jers the difference is ike hit way harder and was more advanced you really are crazy joe tip toeing will leave him to a drop just like jers did him easy but ike would keep him down in the 1st

Ike fought nothing like Walcott. Creating an angle in boxing starts with punching on the move and stepping from the center line (in front of your opponent) to create space to deliver a punch your opponent does not see coming. Ike was a straight ahead fighter who tried to overwhelm his opponents with a barrage if punches. I won't say he never created angles, but that wasn't his Forte. fighters not nearly the caliber of Louis went the distance with him. Louis fought big powerful men and always won against them. Ike has never faced a fight with the skillet that Louis had. I THINK Louis wins, but neither of us is proving either would beat the other. I can prove however that Ibeabuchi fought nothing like Walcott, which seems to be the crux of your argument.