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  • #41
    Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

    Ok. So you said mixed race then said you are Mexican. Mexican isnt a race. So I am going to assume you are white or atleast in America you mark off 'white" on your documents which is fine. I doubt you are native American Mexican ( Aztec etc). So I will assume you have Spaniard blood and maybe white American. Thats fine. I actually have native mexican blood in my DNA but from the Yucatan/ Belize area but culturally I do not have any relationship to it, because i was not raised by it. However we can keep it base on culture. Mexican Americans and Mexicans always had a rivalry between each other and I know when one boxer regardless of them being Mexican born or American born if they fought another person outside of their cultural origins they will always root for their own people thats fine. But when we have an American champion who is facing a British person we shouldn't have a large crowd of White Americans , Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, etc rooting against the American. That sounds and looks crazy. No other country will do that. Irish and English don't get along but they are not going to root against their country men if they went against the Chinese lol. People really hate floyd and Andre ward here lol.
    Yeah, I know Mexican isnt a race, I guess technically there are only three races, but I digress.

    I get what you are saying, about Americans rooting for the American. But remember, lots of Americans trace their recent ancestry and culture back to other nations. I have had debates with family born from nations outside the continent who argue that America doesn't have a real unified culture. To an extent, part of us being a melting pot leads to this. We have a tendency to root for the fighter who shares our nationality of ancestry.

    Additionally, we are such a physically huge nation that is made up of many states, that it divides us somewhat. Its not as separated as it was 100 years ago, but to an extent still people see themselves as being from their state (or region). I by default root for fighters who are from within a 50 mile radius of where I grew up, but not really for someone who grew up two timezones away- I still may root for them, just not by default. Carry that logic out throughout the US and you can see how it is different than lots of other countries.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

      Ok. So being undefeated is basically the underline on top of always winning by the cards. OK thats a justified answer.

      So are you in this majority that feels like this ? I genuinely want to know.

      I used to think the same way with rocky Marciano. I used to think he was beating up on older fighters and alot of people took dives. Eventually I just grew up and decided to give him his flowers and view his record as is but people will never give these three fighters the same grace but also Rocky was highly popular.

      I get it.
      Do I hate on undefeated fighters? Nah, Ward was one of my favorites. I respect and have rooted for Mayweather in a number of fights (rooted against him in others). Calzaghe I respect too, though rooted against him in his biggest fights (mainly because I was fans of the other guys).

      Do I feel that undefeated fighters are overrated? Probably, but it depends on who is rating and are they just basing it on the '0'. I mean I don't think anyone has been better than SRR all time, and he had losses, so if someone tries to argue that an undefeated fighter was better than I think they are over rating them.

      In general, if you fought enough high quality opponents, odds are you would eventually lose. So, it just stands to reason that these undefeated fighters probably didn't fight a consistent murderers row of great fighters in their primes. But I don't hate on any of them, and I feel I rate them accurately.
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      • #43
        Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

        Yeah, I know Mexican isnt a race, I guess technically there are only three races, but I digress.

        I get what you are saying, about Americans rooting for the American. But remember, lots of Americans trace their recent ancestry and culture back to other nations. I have had debates with family born from nations outside the continent who argue that America doesn't have a real unified culture. To an extent, part of us being a melting pot leads to this. We have a tendency to root for the fighter who shares our nationality of ancestry.

        Additionally, we are such a physically huge nation that is made up of many states, that it divides us somewhat. Its not as separated as it was 100 years ago, but to an extent still people see themselves as being from their state (or region). I by default root for fighters who are from within a 50 mile radius of where I grew up, but not really for someone who grew up two timezones away- I still may root for them, just not by default. Carry that logic out throughout the US and you can see how it is different than lots of other countries.
        I respect that. I tend to root for people who i like personality wise. Culture is secondary to me but I am not rooting against an American fighter because low key once you travel aboard no matter what color you are or what language you speak they will still call you a Yankee, gringo, or American. If I go to Africa they wouldn't care they would call me American. If I go to Mexico and showed my dna results they would say not mexican enough and I would be American and probably just black. Latin America has colorism cultural problem but thats whole another story but in soccer I actually root for France or Mali instead of America. I like their swagger and style and my name is French and grand mother maiden last name is French.
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        • #44
          Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

          Do I hate on undefeated fighters? Nah, Ward was one of my favorites. I respect and have rooted for Mayweather in a number of fights (rooted against him in others). Calzaghe I respect too, though rooted against him in his biggest fights (mainly because I was fans of the other guys).

          Do I feel that undefeated fighters are overrated? Probably, but it depends on who is rating and are they just basing it on the '0'. I mean I don't think anyone has been better than SRR all time, and he had losses, so if someone tries to argue that an undefeated fighter was better than I think they are over rating them.

          In general, if you fought enough high quality opponents, odds are you would eventually lose. So, it just stands to reason that these undefeated fighters probably didn't fight a consistent murderers row of great fighters in their primes. But I don't hate on any of them, and I feel I rate them accurately.
          Respect. ^^^^^^^^^^

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          • #45
            Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

            I never thought Floyd Mayweather was up there with Sugar Ray Robinson but people disrespect Floyd's career like he was some kind of above average figher that got lucky. For an undefeated American fighter Floyd is very hated on.

            Lets play the color line game. Since you introduced it. I actually subliminaly added Joe to the list to see if someone mentioned race. I honestly dont think race is really the reason but I do notice Blacks in different countries tend to get less hate then African Americans in boxing and thats more culture and nationality.

            If Floyd Mayweather was a British or French he would be treated like a god in those countries. Americans can care less about Ward and Mayweather. British boxing fans would never put down Joe for another boxer who isnt British never!

            I do rate Floyd as a ATG P4P, I don't rate Joe or Andre Ward as ATGs P4P. I just rate them as great fighters in the 168lb. Honestly I rate Canelo below both of them. Ward was the best 168lb fighter in his era. Idk if I can really say that with Joe.

            But to put Calazage over Mayweather is kinda proving my point. Unless you are not American but I think you are American.
            I think the truth of the matter is this:

            1: Floyd is a very talented fighter

            2: Floyd should be classified as a great fighter

            here’s where things go south:

            1: Floyd tells people he’s the best fighter thats ever lived, over and over again - but never tried to prove it

            2: Floyd openly admits he is business first and basically doesn’t care about legacy (in a roundabout way).

            put those 2 together. Fans won’t like you - we are the ones paying. Maybe he was agitating on purpose to make money??

            from a realistic standpoint as I said before - Floyds a great fighter - but he’s just not on the same level as past greats he claims to be better than.

            I also wouldn’t be SO certain europeans would embrace him if he was complaining and bitching the way he does in America.. It’s usually black americans who over hype the colorline in the modern world because they are told every day to do this for political reasons.
            Last edited by them_apples; 07-06-2025, 12:48 PM.
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            • #46
              For the record years ago - I hated on Joe Calzaghe when he was campaigning. The Euros acted like Floyd fans do. I didn’t think he was nearly as good as they claimed.

              on further inspection down the line I changed my tune. I noticed he was a very dedicated fighter. Which is a sign of a real fighter. He also had to cross the pond and fight guys a weight class above him. When he touched down he got up and hit the gas. He’s actually a great fighter. Furthermore - he wasn’t in his prime either. He used to throw real punches before his hands got cooked.
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              • #47
                Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

                Yeah, I know Mexican isnt a race, I guess technically there are only three races, but I digress.

                I get what you are saying, about Americans rooting for the American. But remember, lots of Americans trace their recent ancestry and culture back to other nations. I have had debates with family born from nations outside the continent who argue that America doesn't have a real unified culture. To an extent, part of us being a melting pot leads to this. We have a tendency to root for the fighter who shares our nationality of ancestry.

                Additionally, we are such a physically huge nation that is made up of many states, that it divides us somewhat. Its not as separated as it was 100 years ago, but to an extent still people see themselves as being from their state (or region). I by default root for fighters who are from within a 50 mile radius of where I grew up, but not really for someone who grew up two timezones away- I still may root for them, just not by default. Carry that logic out throughout the US and you can see how it is different than lots of other countries.
                Not meant for DeeMoney

                There is just one race. The Human Race. A dog, is a dog, is a dog. They just all look different.

                There is no such thing as race. Now cultural bigotry on the other hand is a survival tool, but use it and that gets you called a racist by the uneducated. It's why we invented the phrase 'playing the race card.' It is throughly overused as an excuse for cultural failure.

                Everyone who believes that a 12 year old girl should have her clitoris removed so she won't ever joy sex and cheat on her husbamd, please raise you hand!

                No hands up! OK! See we agree. We are all bigots it just depends on whom you dislike.

                Now don't BS yourself into thinking you're not a cultural bigot.

                P.S. Meant for DeeMoney: The manner in which race is misused today, Mexican is a "race." Go right ahead and be proud of it.

                Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 07-06-2025, 01:19 PM.
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                • #48
                  Originally posted by them_apples View Post

                  I think the truth of the matter is this:

                  1: Floyd is a very talented fighter

                  2: Floyd should be classified as a great fighter

                  hereâÂÂs where things go south:

                  1: Floyd tells people heâÂÂs the best fighter thats ever lived, over and over again - but never tried to prove it

                  2: Floyd openly admits he is business first and basically doesnâÂÂt care about legacy (in a roundabout way).

                  put those 2 together. Fans wonâÂÂt like you - we are the ones paying. Maybe he was agitating on purpose to make money??

                  from a realistic standpoint as I said before - Floyds a great fighter - but heâÂÂs just not on the same level as past greats he claims to be better than.

                  I also wouldnât be SO certain europeans would embrace him if he was complaining and bitching the way he does in America.. Itâs usually black americans who over hype the colorline in the modern world because they are told every day to do this for political reasons.
                  I agree with you. I think Floyd started that TBE nonsense as a marketing tool to sell and to get people mad and it worked. Do I really feel deep down Floyd believes he's the TBE ? I do.

                  Do I feel like he is ? no but he can be in the discussion for P4P top 30. Can he be in the discussion for best welterweights ever? Absolutely. Is he never number one ? Nah. I don't think so.

                  Do I think Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever? Yes I do. I don't put no one over him in that category.

                  Most entertaining fighter ? Nope.

                  Most memorable fighter ? Nope.

                  Most relatable fighter ? Nope.

                  Most Mentally skilled fighter? I think hes top 5. Ali up there too.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                    I agree with you. I think Floyd started that TBE nonsense as a marketing tool to sell and to get people mad and it worked. Do I really feel deep down Floyd believes he's the TBE ? I do.

                    Do I feel like he is ? no but he can be in the discussion for P4P top 30. Can he be in the discussion for best welterweights ever? Absolutely. Is he never number one ? Nah. I don't think so.

                    Do I think Floyd is one of the greatest defensive fighters ever? Yes I do. I don't put no one over him in that category.

                    Most entertaining fighter ? Nope.

                    Most memorable fighter ? Nope.

                    Most relatable fighter ? Nope.

                    Most Mentally skilled fighter? I think hes top 5. Ali up there too.
                    fair enough. I don't rate him quite that high due to the era he fought in and the guys he was fighting. his defense was also largely built around not engaging and watching the clock to take rounds off. anyone wouldn't get hit much if they did that. actually fight though and he's gonna start eating shots and did like the Cotto fight. hence only fighting in vegas with the must system. In vegas you can land one jab and win a round as long as the other guy doesn't land a jab on you. I mostly agree with you though - he's still a very good fighter.
                    Last edited by them_apples; 07-06-2025, 01:41 PM.
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by them_apples View Post
                      For the record years ago - I hated on Joe Calzaghe when he was campaigning. The Euros acted like Floyd fans do. I didnât think he was nearly as good as they claimed.

                      on further inspection down the line I changed my tune. I noticed he was a very dedicated fighter. Which is a sign of a real fighter. He also had to cross the pond and fight guys a weight class above him. When he touched down he got up and hit the gas. Heâs actually a great fighter. Furthermore - he wasnât in his prime either. He used to throw real punches before his hands got cooked.
                      I hated Joe too lmaoooooo. But I dont mind him anymore though. I must admit its so sad most Americans were drinking the Jeff Left Hook Lacey Coolaid back in those days. Joe schooled him.

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