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  • #61
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - Dariusz whooped Virgil Hill before Roy did.

    Dariusz can't fight but those put in front of him, including the big duck by Roy when Dariusz showed up on HBO in Florida promoting a legacy fight with Roy who was HBO's boy.

    Like I stated, the Big$$$ was in Germany, not the peanuts Roy was making while ducking Dariusz.

    Jus da facts, ma'am
    So the fact that Dariusz only defended against a handful of Ring ranked contenders wasn't his fault,he is entirely blameless on that front?
    If Dariusz was making this fortune,how come his career earnings are less than half Jones'?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

      This is the other side of the proverbial coin. I think Jab's arguments for Dariuz being top ten is compelling. He did beat some tough competition. But Jones was in the bigger fish pond so to speak. Tough division with a lot of excellent fighters...
      I can't in all conscience place him above the following.

      Moore
      Foster
      Conn
      Spinks
      H Johnson
      Lewis
      Loughran
      Saad
      Jones Jnr
      Qawi
      Delaney
      Moorer
      Beterbiev
      Then there are non title holders
      Tunney
      Greb
      Langford
      Bivins
      Charles
      Marshall
      Plus 50/50 fights with the likes of
      Berlenbach
      Rosenbloom
      Maxim
      Mustapha
      Conteh
      Galindez
      M Johnson
      Kovalev
      Stevenson
      Stribling
      I thought that stunt he pulled against Rochiggiani, rolling around the canvas to get his challenger dsq'd was pretty disgraceful too.
      Last edited by Bronson66; 03-18-2025, 01:08 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

        This is the other side of the proverbial coin. I think Jab's arguments for Dariuz being top ten is compelling. He did beat some tough competition. But Jones was in the bigger fish pond so to speak. Tough division with a lot of excellent fighters...
        Top Ten light heavyweight????? Nahhh idk about that.

        Lets use a measuring stick. He is better than Chad Dawson, Kovalev or Stevenson at 175?
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        • #64
          Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

          Top Ten light heavyweight????? Nahhh idk about that.

          Lets use a measuring stick. He is better than Chad Dawson, Kovalev or Stevenson at 175?
          He's not even Top 30.

          To even consider him in the Top 10 is the kind of lunacy I'd expect from a Looney Tunes cartoon.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post
            So the fact that Dariusz only defended against a handful of Ring ranked contenders wasn't his fault,he is entirely blameless on that front?
            If Dariusz was making this fortune,how come his career earnings are less than half Jones'?
            Welcome back from your vacation.

            IMO, he is better than the guys in bold and beat more ring ranked conterders than some on this list at light heavy.

            I can't in all conscience place him above the following.

            Moore
            Foster
            Conn
            Spinks
            H Johnson
            Lewis
            Loughran
            Saad
            Jones Jnr
            Qawi
            Delaney
            Moorer
            Beterbiev

            Then there are non title holders
            Tunney
            Greb
            Langford
            Bivins
            Charles
            Marshall
            Plus 50/50 fights with the likes of
            Berlenbach
            Rosenbloom
            Maxim
            Mustapha
            Conteh
            Galindez
            M Johnson
            Kovalev
            Stevenson
            Stribling

            Like I said top 25 in the light division worthy of the HOF. His record is very good compared to others on the list.​

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            • #66
              Originally posted by The D3vil View Post
              Ugh, not this again.

              The truly great European fighters came to America & beat American talent like Lennox, Fury, GGG, Loma, Usyk, The Klitschkos, etc. ...

              If he didn't come over, it's likely because he knew that he didn't have what it takes.

              It'd be like me claiming I'm the best soccer player, but refuse to leave America to play in Europe where all the respected players play.
              He had a great gig going in europe earning tons of cash, so why should he come to the US and then earn less and possibly getting cheated like Schulz and others before him?

              Furthermore he was the real lineal champion, so blame the yanks for not daring to go to germany to fight him which is most noticeable as far as Jones is concerned.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post

                He had a great gig going in europe earning tons of cash, so why should he come to the US and then earn less and possibly getting cheated like Schulz and others before him?

                Furthermore he was the real lineal champion, so blame the yanks for not daring to go to germany to fight him which is most noticeable as far as Jones is concerned.
                Plenty of visitors have been cheated in German boxing rings,at one time Germany was notorious for hometown decisions.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post

                  Plenty of visitors have been cheated in German boxing rings,at one time Germany was notorious for hometown decisions.
                  Same for european stars travelling to fight US stars in the US.

                  DM was the real lineal champ though and that's the big difference.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post

                    Same for european stars travelling to fight US stars in the US.

                    DM was the real lineal champ though and that's the big difference.
                    - - Amen, and as noted he came to a Roy Jones fight in Florida to lobby for their legacy fight with a higher purse than HBO was paying Roy.

                    And then summarily dismissed. Net result is that both were soon upset and never the same.

                    When in doubt, call up IBRO, but here IBRO shoot themselves in their feet by not even considering Dariusz.

                    IBRO ALL-TIME RATINGS December 31, 2019 Light-Heavyweight Results
                    1. Ezzard Charles (586)
                    2. Archie Moore (538)
                    3. Gene Tunney (495)
                    4. Sam Langford (468)
                    5. Bob Foster (451)
                    6. Mike Spinks (434)
                    7. Tommy Loughran (403)
                    8. Billy Conn (371)
                    9. Harry Greb (325)
                    10. Roy Jones Jr. (258) 1
                    1. Bob Fitzsimmons (232)
                    12. Harold Johnson (206)
                    13. Maxie Rosenbloom (205)
                    14. Tommy Gibbons (188)
                    15. John Henry Lewis (163)
                    16. Jimmy Bivins (111)
                    17. Matthew Saad Muhammad (105)
                    18. Philadelphia Jack O’Brien (104)
                    19. Jack Dillon (95)
                    20. Dwight Qawi (87)

                    Top Vote Getters (50 or more points): Jack Delaney (66). No other boxer received over 50 points. Georges Carpentier and Battling Levinsky who both made the top 20 in the last IBRO poll 15 years ago failed to generate over 50 points, with Carpentier coming the closest at 42. Jack Delaney, who also missed the cut last time, had some support with 65 points but fell short of a top 20 spot.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post

                      He had a great gig going in europe earning tons of cash, so why should he come to the US and then earn less and possibly getting cheated like Schulz and others before him?

                      Furthermore he was the real lineal champion, so blame the yanks for not daring to go to germany to fight him which is most noticeable as far as Jones is concerned.
                      And yet, it worked out for Lennox, GGG, The Klitschkos, Usyk, Loma, & all those dudes who are all either in the HOF or will be there soon.

                      The US was the center of boxing.

                      If he wanted respect, he should've earned it.
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