The Best Between 180lbs & 190lbs?

[JAB5239]

So again it's clear you're just quite slow.

I didn't go on a tangent. I directly responded to what you said, when you said "Quarry is more complete than Beterbiev" which is moronic. That's not a tangent. Do you know what tangent means?




And I already did explain quite clearly. You then as usual act like it hasn't happened and ask it again even though I've blatantly already directly addressed it. Whilst yourself offer zero analysis of any kind. You can't really breakdown fighters skills, ability etc. It's not something you can do and that's been clear over the years. Your strengths are retaining information such as resumes and dates from books and what not. Your actually understanding and analysis is piss poor for the most part.



I couldn't give a shit about your original point. I don't care about who wins between him and Floyd Patterson, I didn't mention Floyd Patterson for a reason. I responded directly to a point you tried to make.

Why would I explain how he would beat the guy's Quarry beat? What kind of idiotic question is that? That's what I'm talking about, what kind of clueless attempt at an argument is that? Beterbiev is a LHW.....Quarry is HW......Why would arguing for Beterbiev to beat the opponents he beat have any kind of relevance what so ever?

You did basically say he had no skills, at worst little skills. You said "he comes straight forward with power" you've said similar things countless times heavily implying he's not a skilled fighter, which is beyond dumb.

Ok you I'll just break it down further why that isn't the case since you're not getting it with words;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk13SHQLJk


Let's look at Round 3 as this is a good round for adjustments being made (8:20) after 2 rounds of Beterbiev taking his time and analyzing Gvozdyk with some different looks, Gvozdyk being the skillful counter puncher he is has success getting off first. Beterbiev then in Round 3 begins to show the adjustments he's made, controlling the distance in the midrange with his front foot position and feints, and timing counter punches when Gvozdyk tries to be first such as 2:38 he times the left hook coming in, doesn't land clean but get's his attention, again at 1:48 with the counter uppercut coming in. This is forcing Gvozdyk to try and throw combinations to get the round back which is playing into Beterbiev's plan, slowly becoming a chess match. The remaining 1 minute and 40 seconds of the round as you can see is totally controlled by Beterbiev, his in and out movment is allowing him to totally outbox Gzodyk from range, his beating him to the punch getting off first now he's got his timing down and he's making him miss and landing counters to the both the body and head.

That's just one round, I can analyze every round but that's just one. The remainder of the fight is high level chess all the way though because both are skilled fighters and know each other well. Gzozdyk OUTTHROWING Beterbiev in almost every round, which goes against your "come straight forward" crap. Beterbiev doesn't win this fight with power, he wins it with skillful distance control and timing, eventually breaking him down. He is constantly at mid range, feinting and making openings. At NO POINT IN THE FIGHT does he "walk straight forward" none.

Now you go ahead and show me a round, of any Beterbiev fight where he consistently "walks straight forward". Any fight. Any fight where he doesn't take a back step in a round. Not a fight. Just one round, where he isn't at mid range and doesn't move in and out or take any backwards steps.

Again, you're on a juvenile tangent. Have you explained how Beterbiev is more complete? I couldn't bother reading past the first few lines of your whining.

[IronDanHamza]

Again, you're on a juvenile tangent. Have you explained how Beterbiev is more complete? I couldn't bother reading past the first few lines of your whining.

Just as expected, not even an attempt at a counter response, zero analysis in any capacity.

I have literally just provided you with rounds, timestamps, and broken down with layers how what you're saying is wrong at best, idiotic at worst. You of course have nothing to say to that because you are clueless and couldn't break down a fight or fighter to save your life.

Now I'll ask you again, since I've done it, you go ahead and show me a round, of any Beterbiev fight where he consistently "walks straight forward", since that is your position, that all Beterbiev does is "walk straight forward with power".

Any fight. Any fight where he doesn't take a back step in a round. Not a fight. Just one round, where he isn't at mid range and doesn't move in and out or take any backwards steps. Show me (and break down) one round where all he does is "move straight forward".

[JAB5239]

Just as expected, not even an attempt at a counter response, zero analysis in any capacity.

I have literally just provided you with rounds, timestamps, and broken down with layers how what you're saying is wrong at best, idiotic at worst. You of course have nothing to say to that because you are clueless and couldn't break down a fight or fighter to save your life.

Now I'll ask you again, since I've done it, you go ahead and show me a round, of any Beterbiev fight where he consistently "walks straight forward", since that is your position, that all Beterbiev does is "walk straight forward with power".

Any fight. Any fight where he doesn't take a back step in a round. Not a fight. Just one round, where he isn't at mid range and doesn't move in and out or take any backwards steps. Show me (and break down) one round where all he does is "move straight forward".

You are becoming comically more and more ridiculous. First off i never said he Beterbiev "consistently" walks straight forward. You just made that lie up. If you didn't, go ahead and show me where I ever said he moves "consistently " forward. That has NEVER been my position, so that's lie number two. My position was there is no proof Beterbiev could or would knock out Patterson. After you went on your infantile tangent about Artur having a more complete skillet than I asked you to explain it to me. You have yet to do that. I've explained Quarry throws a wider array of punches and mixes his combinations up. Had better head movement, fients better, flows better and fought better competition. What have you countered with? Nothing. You've made intentional lies up claiming " You did basically say he had no skills, at worst little skills." Show me where I've said this. You have been making things up through this whole meltdown you're having, yet you haven't shown or countered a famn thing the shows Artur has a better skillet than Quarry. Lmao.....you saying i can't breakdown a fighters skills or ability means nothing to me. I've done that with Quarry. I've done it with Beterbiev. You just don't like it so you're willing to make up a bunch of lies to try and prove a point. Sorry, but you've proven nothing except the fact you're easily angered over the internet.

[IronDanHamza]

You are becoming comically more and more ridiculous. First off i never said he Beterbiev "consistently" walks straight forward. You just made that lie up. If you didn't, go ahead and show me where I ever said he moves "consistently " forward. That has NEVER been my position, so that's lie number two. My position was there is no proof Beterbiev could or would knock out Patterson. After you went on your infantile tangent about Artur having a more complete skillet than I asked you to explain it to me. You have yet to do that. I've explained Quarry throws a wider array of punches and mixes his combinations up. Had better head movement, fients better, flows better and fought better competition. What have you countered with? Nothing. You've made intentional lies up claiming " You did basically say he had no skills, at worst little skills." Show me where I've said this. You have been making things up through this whole meltdown you're having, yet you haven't shown or countered a famn thing the shows Artur has a better skillet than Quarry. Lmao.....you saying i can't breakdown a fighters skills or ability means nothing to me. I've done that with Quarry. I've done it with Beterbiev. You just don't like it so you're willing to make up a bunch of lies to try and prove a point. Sorry, but you've proven nothing except the fact you're easily angered over the internet.

Done it with Quarry and done with Beterbiev where? You've done nothing but say a load of meaningless nonsense. You've offered no analysis in any capacity. You aren't with reality even remotely.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you, I do not care about Floyd Patterson. Has nothing to do with what I replied to. Nothing you have said about Quarry is even remotely true other than him fighting better opposition. You have provided zero breakdown or analysis in any capacity despite the fact I have, and asked you do to so multiple times. You again do the same tired routine, ask for evidence, I directly respond and provide it then say I have provided nothing. You've done this in other threads and doing it now. All whilst providing nothing yourself whilst claiming you have, very weird considering it's public and people can see it. Maybe you are just deluded and actually think it, I don't know. I do know you are not on Planet Earth if you think Quarry is in the same league as Beterbiev as a fighter.

So since you now seem to be backtracking, why don't you just explain your position on Beterbiev being a fighter that "walks straight forward with power".

You have also said this;

Artur is pretty basic. He just applies pressure and hits hard

And this;

Beterbiev comes straight ahead pawing with shots looking to land his bombs

Are you now claiming that is not your position? You're now trying to actually say that you aren't obviously implying that Beterbiev is not a skilled fighter by describing him as "basic" and "just applies pressure" whilst repeating countless times he "comes straight forward". All three of those observations being as mind numbingly dumb as each other. Do you think other people reading are as dumb as you are and can't read?

So, why don't you just let it be known since you're calling me a liar now and trying to say you aren't saying the above. One minute you're saying he's all these things that imply lack of skill whilst also trying to claim you aren't saying he's not skilled so what is it?

[IronDanHamza]

Beterbiev has excellent footwork he moves well laterally but when his opponent goes to the ropes he doesn't generally follow him there ,he maintains his distance,obviously he is no longer in his prime so allowances must now be made.
Beterbiev has little to no head movement he relies on his gloves and forearms to block punches and he can be caught square.
He and Bivol are outstanding fighters in a rather shallow division,both would be competitive in any era,but not necessarily champions.

Agree with all points other than Beterbeiv having little to no head movement.

It isn't a strong point but he definitely moves his head subtly, especially when timing the right hand counter coming in when he slides to the left hand side. He negated Gvozdyk down the stretch with good head movement.

His foot positioning and distance control is exceptional, it's the key to most of his wins, which I guess is likely why his head movement isn't as prominent.

Angles when throwing combinations also, the way he moves from side to side is exceptional I.e vs Marcus Browne who is very slick and hard to pin down himself.

To describe Beterbeiv as someone who "walks straight forward with power" is one of the very absurd takes I've seen on this site in the 15+ years I've been on here.

In regards to being Champion in other eras, I think he could potentially be Champion in any era. He has the tools, skills, and ability. Obviously he could also come unstuck aswell vs the greats but I have no doubt he could compete in any era.

[JAB5239]

Done it with Quarry and done with Beterbiev where? You've done nothing but say a load of meaningless nonsense. You've offered no analysis in any capacity. You aren't with reality even remotely.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you, I do not care about Floyd Patterson. Has nothing to do with what I replied to. Nothing you have said about Quarry is even remotely true other than him fighting better opposition. You have provided zero breakdown or analysis in any capacity despite the fact I have, and asked you do to so multiple times. You again do the same tired routine, ask for evidence, I directly respond and provide it then say I have provided nothing. You've done this in other threads and doing it now. All whilst providing nothing yourself whilst claiming you have, very weird considering it's public and people can see it. Maybe you are just deluded and actually think it, I don't know. I do know you are not on Planet Earth if you think Quarry is in the same league as Beterbiev as a fighter.

So since you now seem to be backtracking, why don't you just explain your position on Beterbiev being a fighter that "walks straight forward with power".

You have also said this;



And this;



Are you now claiming that is not your position?​ You're now trying to actually say that you aren't obviously implying that Beterbiev is not a skilled fighter by describing him as "basic" and "just applies pressure" whilst repeating countless times he "comes straight forward". All three of those observations being as mind numbingly dumb as each other. Do you think other people reading are as dumb as you are and can't read?

So, why don't you just let it be known since you're calling me a liar now and trying to say you aren't saying the above. One minute you're saying he's all these things that imply lack of skill whilst also trying to claim you aren't saying he's not skilled so what is it?

Ahhhh, here we go!! Nothing i said about Quarry is even remotely true? Another lie on your end. Go ahead and show me where Quarry doesn't have better head movement, combinations, body punching, parrying, slipping and fainting. If you've watched both fighters.....anyone who has watched both fighters can clearly see these things. You've become delusional in you old age Danny boy. And yes, my position stands. Being basic doesn't mean unskilled. That never came out of my mouth. Do I think he's basic compared to many fighters? Absolutely. Is he excellent at the things he does though. Absolutely. You've clearly Never seen Quarry fight and don't know how to analyze a fighters skillets. It's clear you aren't with reality even remotely. Go try to convince someone else Beterbiev does these things better than Quarry.

Here's a little something for context. Watch it and learn.

https://********/ZSTKQJ5BS7s?si=pXghvH5-d8A6WT5I

Patterson vs Quarry 2

[JAB5239]

So well done, you've just said nothing again. No analysis of any kind.

I'm aware you think Jerry Quarry does those things better. In reality he absolutely doesn't. To clarify, are you saying you think Jerry Quarry is a better fighter than Artur Beterbiev?

I refuse to believe you have watched a single full length fight of Artur Beterbiev in full. Your observations are so far off reality it's more sad than it is funny.





Ok so again you've said absolutely nothing there.

What is he? Is he basic? How is he basic?

You're saying he's skilled now, but, also basic. So what is his skill set? Tell us instead of just saying nothing.

We know your position is he is "basic" and "comes straight forward". So actually explain it, like I have done.



Never seen Quarry fight Oh yeah, good one.

I was watching Jerry Quarry when your retarded siblings of parents were trying to work out how to conceive your dumb ass.

It wouldn't surprise me if you'd even watched a Jerry Quarry fight in full. I watched Jerry Quarry live, I don't think you were even alive then and if you were you were too young to know what you're watching. This idea that you're trying to make that he was an elite fighter is hilarious.







Ok nice one, good fight.

Posting a link doesn't tell me anything. What are you trying to tell me with this link?

I'd say we're done here now. I've given you plenty, you just don't want to accept it. But when you stoop so low as to bring family into a debate, to insult my mother and father. That's just a classless move. I really don't care our differences of opinion about boxing. I've always respected you whether I agreed with you or not. But you've lost that respect. That was a cowards play Danny.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd say we're done here now. I've given you plenty, you just don't want to accept it. But when you stoop so low as to bring family into a debate, to insult my mother and father. That's just a classless move. I really don't care our differences of opinion about boxing. I've always respected you whether I agreed with you or not. But you've lost that respect. That was a cowards play Danny.

I couldn't give a shit about your respect.

You haven't provided anything. Only in your mind you have. No analysis, no time stamps, no breakdowns of fights, no specifics in rounds, etc

I've asked you multiple times to justify or at this point even just clarify your position based on your own words, since they don't add up, and you can't even do that.

So you can run along now.

[JAB5239]

I couldn't give a shit about your respect.

You haven't provided anything. Only in your mind you have. No analysis, no time stamps, no breakdowns of fights, no specifics in rounds, etc

I've asked you multiple times to justify or at this point even just clarify your position based on your own words, since they don't add up, and you can't even do that.

So you can run along now.

Of course you dont. You're a classless little punk mouthing off behind a keyboard. Do your insults make you tough? No, you're a little candy ass and you know it. Who has beaten the better fighters? Quarry. End of story How can you be the better fighter when you've fought the weaker comp? You refuse to acknowledge what I've shown (Quarry better head movement, parrying, fainting, combinations punching) because you don't know what you're talking about. **** off now you little *****. Talking about time stamps, specific rounds......lmao, all you need to do is watch their fights...it's all right in front of you. You're to ****** to get that though.

[Bronson66]

So well done, you've just said nothing again. No analysis of any kind.

I'm aware you think Jerry Quarry does those things better. In reality he absolutely doesn't. To clarify, are you saying you think Jerry Quarry is a better fighter than Artur Beterbiev?

I refuse to believe you have watched a single full length fight of Artur Beterbiev in full. Your observations are so far off reality it's more sad than it is funny.





Ok so again you've said absolutely nothing there.

What is he? Is he basic? How is he basic?

You're saying he's skilled now, but, also basic. So what is his skill set? Tell us instead of just saying nothing.

We know your position is he is "basic" and "comes straight forward". So actually explain it, like I have done.



Never seen Quarry fight Oh yeah, good one.

I was watching Jerry Quarry when your retarded siblings of parents were trying to work out how to conceive your dumb ass.

It wouldn't surprise me if you'd even watched a Jerry Quarry fight in full. I watched Jerry Quarry live, I don't think you were even alive then and if you were you were too young to know what you're watching. This idea that you're trying to make that he was an elite fighter is hilarious.







Ok nice one, good fight.

Posting a link doesn't tell me anything. What are you trying to tell me with this link?

Why are you so aggressive and rude? Personal attacks on posters parents makes you appear totally classless,the sort of behaviour we would expect from some silly kid.
If you watched Quarry in real time you are now a mature man who should know better than to attack posters families,can you tone it down?Every post from you just seems to personally attack the poster , but offers no reasoned argument against his opinion.

I think you can do a lot better than that,and I would enjoy you proving it.

We already have our resident idiot in Queensbury Fool ,you are several levels above him,so please can you stop these Moneytheman , type of posts and show us more of what you're really capable of.