The Best Between 180lbs & 190lbs?

[Anomalocaris]

Personal attacks are pitiful.

Especially from behind a keyboard.

If you would not say something to a person's face in the real world it just makes you look like a fool.

[JAB5239]

Bivol hit Beterviev with a regularity that would be potentially fight ending , if he had the power of Artur.

Beterbiev takes jabs flush in the face,his head is stationary.Of course he is aging and the Bivol fight isnt necessarily representative of all his fights,the fights you mention were 3 and 5 years ago?I don't see that head movement now, nor that impressive hand speed he showed against Johnson 7 years ago.

At 175lbs Beterbiev would be competitive in any era , of that I am positive.

The 70's is considered the great Lhvy era, Beterbiev would be right in that mix with,Foster, Conteh,Galindez,Rossman,Johnson, Saad,Lopez, Hutchins,Muhammad,etc and could potentially win more than he loses.

Foster and Spinks would get to him regularly with the right in my opinion, and hit much harder than anyone Artur has face. Beterbiev and Saad Muhammad would be a fun and interesting fight. Anything with Saad was fun and interesting though.

[QueensburyRules]

Typically this is the response you recieve when anyone goes against your favorite eastern euros. Doesn't make it true, but it must make you feel better saying it.

- - Make U permanently stained in U BigBoys...

[IronDanHamza]

Of course you dont. You're a classless little punk mouthing off behind a keyboard. Do your insults make you tough? No, you're a little candy ass and you know it. Who has beaten the better fighters? Quarry. End of story How can you be the better fighter when you've fought the weaker comp? You refuse to acknowledge what I've shown (Quarry better head movement, parrying, fainting, combinations punching) because you don't know what you're talking about. **** off now you little *****. Talking about time stamps, specific rounds......lmao, all you need to do is watch their fights...it's all right in front of you. You're to ****** to get that though.

"Watch their fights" isn't an argument you moron. There is nothing to acknowledge.

You again haven't provided any kind of analysis in any capacity outside of "I think this is better", when it's not.

You're still trying to argue Jerry Quarry is a better fighter than Beterbiev It's laughable. They aren't in the same league as fighters.

You find it funny that providing timestamps and actual moments in fights are being used, sums you up. All that was doing was showing why your observation of Beterbiev "comes straight forward with power" is brain dead. It literally proves the opposite.

You can't provide a single round of Beterbiev's career where he does what you describe.

[IronDanHamza]

Why are you so aggressive and rude? Personal attacks on posters parents makes you appear totally classless,the sort of behaviour we would expect from some silly kid.
If you watched Quarry in real time you are now a mature man who should know better than to attack posters families,can you tone it down?Every post from you just seems to personally attack the poster , but offers no reasoned argument against his opinion.

I think you can do a lot better than that,and I would enjoy you proving it.

We already have our resident idiot in Queensbury Fool ,you are several levels above him,so please can you stop these Moneytheman , type of posts and show us more of what you're really capable of.

Oh ok so it's ok to personally insult Dr Z and Queensbury and all the rest but I can't insult the fat guy?

Why is that?

Getting banned for insults on the same page where insults are being thrown at me What a joke.

They hypocrisy is beyond embarrassing.

[JAB5239]

Oh ok so it's ok to personally insult Dr Z and Queensbury and all the rest but I can't insult the fat guy?

Why is that?

Getting banned for insults on the same page where insults are being thrown at me What a joke.

They hypocrisy is beyond embarrassing.

You got banned for bringing family into it I'm sure. You can insult me all you want. Only a coward insults someone's family.

[IronDanHamza]

You got banned for bringing family into it I'm sure. You can insult me all you want. Only a coward insults someone's family.

Insults are insults. Where in the rules does it say you can insult people but not their parents/uncles/aunts? Oh yeah it doesn't.

You insult posters all the time. Yet cry like a baby when you get insulted Clown.

[billeau2]

is there a way objectively prove a fighter is better than another with respect to skills watched on tape? Sometimes... Sometimes not. Bieter and Quarry fought different competition. Even heavyweights that move well do not move like a smaller fighter. So in a sense the comparison is off from the start.

Quarry had mad skills fighting against the competition he faced, Bieter does have excellent fundamentals that allow him to set up his shots... Better? IMO strictly a matter of opinion, not worth arguing over. Some fighters use basic techniques in a highly refined way, some fighters use very complex angles, movements in a basic way lol... Whitaker had all kinds of movements that he utilized, but he was not known to set up an offensive action off of these movements, many times...

Bieter? He has a great instinct for setting distance... He does not use a lot of specialized angles, nor does he use the many head movements that a fighter like Usyk... He does not need to because the very threat of his shot generally will cause his opponent to retreat. Also he throws his shots over the shoulder, a lot of the older fighters did this... These shots can be more difficult to counter because they loop just enough to cause the opponent hesitation. This also gives the shots more power.

Quarry had a full toolbox of skills. He was overshadowed given the strength of the division he fought in.

[JAB5239]

Insults are insults. Where in the rules does it say you can insult people but not their parents/uncles/aunts? Oh yeah it doesn't.

You insult posters all the time. Yet cry like a baby when you get insulted Clown.

Yes, I insult posters. Have at it. Insulting someone's parent is just a classless thing to do considering they have nothing to do with the conversation. In my case both of my parents have passed. Insult me all you want, doesn't bother me a bit Go ahead and show me where I've cried for being insulted. You can't, so you just make up another lie. All you do when you take it to that level is guarantee any logical or civil boxing debate is out the windows. For a man your age you should know this already.

[JAB5239]

is there a way objectively prove a fighter is better than another with respect to skills watched on tape? Sometimes... Sometimes not. Bieter and Quarry fought different competition. Even heavyweights that move well do not move like a smaller fighter. So in a sense the comparison is off from the start.

Quarry had mad skills fighting against the competition he faced, Bieter does have excellent fundamentals that allow him to set up his shots... Better? IMO strictly a matter of opinion, not worth arguing over. Some fighters use basic techniques in a highly refined way, some fighters use very complex angles, movements in a basic way lol... Whitaker had all kinds of movements that he utilized, but he was not known to set up an offensive action off of these movements, many times...

Bieter? He has a great instinct for setting distance... He does not use a lot of specialized angles, nor does he use the many head movements that a fighter like Usyk... He does not need to because the very threat of his shot generally will cause his opponent to retreat. Also he throws his shots over the shoulder, a lot of the older fighters did this... These shots can be more difficult to counter because they loop just enough to cause the opponent hesitation. This also gives the shots more power.

Quarry had a full toolbox of skills. He was overshadowed given the strength of the division he fought in.

Thank you for the sense and sensibility.