The Best Between 180lbs & 190lbs?

[IronDanHamza]

Who are they bigger than, Burns and Fitzsimmons? Who are they stronger than, and how are you determining that? And if Patterson could survive and thrive against the bigger and more complete fighter in Quarry, who's to say Beterbiev would stop him? Ridiculous assumptions on your part.

You did not honestly just say that Jerry Quarry is a more complete fighter than Beterbiev?

You cannot be seriously saying that.

[JAB5239]

You did not honestly just say that Jerry Quarry is a more complete fighter than Beterbiev?

You cannot be seriously saying that.

Why not? Beterbiev relies on power.Quarry could knock a guy out or break him down from top to bottom. He fought better comp and beat better comp in the golden age of heavyweight boxing. I highly doubt Artur could beat the guys Quarry beat. My point being that Queenie assumes Beterbiev would have caught up to Patterson. Maybe he would have, maybe he wouldn't. No one can know for sure. But we do know Patterson survived against bigger guys than Artur. The Fact is Beterbiev and Bivol are not bigger than most early heavyweight champs as claimed. It is also a fact nether belong in this thread. That is my point.

[IronDanHamza]

Why not? Beterbiev relies on power.Quarry could knock a guy out or break him down from top to bottom. He fought better comp and beat better comp in the golden age of heavyweight boxing. I highly doubt Artur could beat the guys Quarry beat. My point being that Queenie assumes Beterbiev would have caught up to Patterson. Maybe he would have, maybe he wouldn't. No one can know for sure. But we do know Patterson survived against bigger guys than Artur. The Fact is Beterbiev and Bivol are not bigger than most early heavyweight champs as claimed. It is also a fact nether belong in this thread. That is my point.

Well first and foremost I'm not interested in what that retard has to say. That's not what I was responding to, it's an entirely different topic. I am responding to the point you made about Jerry Quarry being a more complete fighter than Beterbiev which is potentially one of the most absurd things I have ever read in my life.

To respond to your counter response, Beterbiev does not rely on power at all. Your views on Beterbiev are so bafflingly far from reality I struggle to believe you've even watched him fight outside of highlights.

Jerry Quarry is not even remotely close to Beterbiev's level as a fighter in any category.

[JAB5239]

Well first and foremost I'm not interested in what that retard has to say. That's not what I was responding to, it's an entirely different topic. I am responding to the point you made about Jerry Quarry being a more complete fighter than Beterbiev which is potentially one of the most absurd things I have ever read in my life.

To respond to your counter response, Beterbiev does not rely on power at all. Your views on Beterbiev are so bafflingly far from reality I struggle to believe you've even watched him fight outside of highlights.

Jerry Quarry is not even remotely close to Beterbiev's level as a fighter in any category.

Why is that? Explain it to me. Because he certainly doesn't look more technically skilled than Quarry, only more powerful......in his own weight division.

[IronDanHamza]

Why is that? Explain it to me. Because he certainly doesn't look more technically skilled than Quarry, only more powerful......in his own weight division.

Well yes, I'm aware it doesn't look that way to you, which is why said I struggle to believe you've even seen him fight with the way you are so far out of touch with reality on that topic, either that or you just simply don't know what you're watching.

You have implied and even just straight up mentioned repeatedly this insane idea that Beterbiev is some kind of skilless, "come straight forward fighter" who's only tool is power. Which I think anyone who has even watched a single fight of Beterbiev's from the Am's or Pro would concur is beyond a laughable take, and as previously stated up there with the dumbest observations I may have ever read.

He is VASTLY more technically skilled than Jerry Quarry. How could you possibly watch those two fighters side by side and deem Jerry Quarry the more skilled fighter? Beterbiev's distance control is leagues better, his timing is leagues better, his foot positioning is leagues better, his general ability is leagues better, I can't even think of a single area where Quarry is not only just inferior but even in the same league as Beterbiev from a technical standpoint.

To argue that he is a better fighter or more complete or however else you would like to frame it is asinine.

[JAB5239]

Well yes, I'm aware it doesn't look that way to you, which is why said I struggle to believe you've even seen him fight with the way you are so far out of touch with reality on that topic, either that or you just simply don't know what you're watching.

You have implied and even just straight up mentioned repeatedly this insane idea that Beterbiev is some kind of skilless, "come straight forward fighter" who's only tool is power. Which I think anyone who has even watched a single fight of Beterbiev's from the Am's or Pro would concur is beyond a laughable take, and as previously stated up there with the dumbest observations I may have ever read.

He is VASTLY more technically skilled than Jerry Quarry. How could you possibly watch those two fighters side by side and deem Jerry Quarry the more skilled fighter? Beterbiev's distance control is leagues better, his timing is leagues better, his foot positioning is leagues better, his general ability is leagues better, I can't even think of a single area where Quarry is not only just inferior but even in the same league as Beterbiev from a technical standpoint.

To argue that he is a better fighter or more complete or however else you would like to frame it is asinine.

I've implied or straight up mentioned Beterbiev is a skillesscome straight forward fighter who's only tool is power? Where did I straight up say this? What i will say is he is a pretty basic fighter who applies pressure to wear other fighter down and uses this effectively thru his power. Is that better? What i will also say is if he had gone to the body against Bivol besides the occasional straight right to the body he would have worn him down much easier and probably have stopped him. The fact that he didn't just shows me he is not as skilled as Quarry. I like Artur, but I don't fool myself into thinking he's some exceptionally skilled fighter. Bivol looks much more skilled with with a bigger bag of tools. So did Quarry. You. So I will respectfully ask you again to explain it to me, how is Beterbiev "vastly" more skilled than Quarry? Jerry moved better. Worked the body better. Threw better combinations and fought better competition. You're the only one out of touch with reality here my friend.

[Mr Mitts]

What did Jerry usually weigh?

[IronDanHamza]

I've implied or straight up mentioned Beterbiev is a skillesscome straight forward fighter who's only tool is power? Where did I straight up say this?

You've heavily implied it in this thread.

You've straight up said it here;

I like Beterbiev, but I don't think of him as a great fighter. He strong, hits hard and walks straight forward.

To describe a fighter such as Beterbiev as "strong, hits hard and walks straight forward" is genuinely one of the most asinine observations I've ever seen.

What i will say is he is a pretty basic fighter who applies pressure to wear other fighter down and uses this effectively thru his power. Is that better?

No it's not better. It's objectively wrong.

What i will also say is if he had gone to the body against Bivol besides the occasional straight right to the body he would have worn him down much easier and probably have stopped him.

Yeah but that's just another foolish, blanket observation. It's like saying Fighter A could have beaten Fighter B if he just punched him more.

Betebiev went to the body well and broke Bivol down by Round 9, not with power, with his own set of skills and ability.. But Bivol is vastly skilled himself, so it's not as easy as just "going to the body" because of his elite movement and defense. That fight was as close to a high level chess match as you can get by two EXTREMELY skilled fighters.

The fact that he didn't just shows me he is not as skilled as Quarry. I like Artur, but I don't fool myself into thinking he's some exceptionally skilled fighter. Bivol looks much more skilled with with a bigger bag of tools. So did Quarry. You. So I will respectfully ask you again to explain it to me, how is Beterbiev "vastly" more skilled than Quarry? Jerry moved better. Worked the body better. Threw better combinations and fought better competition. You're the only one out of touch with reality here my friend.

Jerry Quarry moved better What a comical take. Why is that because he took backwards steps? Beterbiev's footwork is LEAGUES above Jerry Quarry's.

You are totally out of touch with reality. To make the claim that Jerry Quarry, a good, solid fighter but far from elite is even in the same league is Beterbiev is just straight up retarded. It's one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard in my life.

In regards to Beterbiev, your commentary on him leaves two options, you've never actually watched his fights in full or you just have no clue what's in front of you. It's one or the other.

[Mr Mitts]

What did Jerry usually weigh?

[JAB5239]

You've heavily implied it in this thread.

You've straight up said it here;




To describe a fighter such as Beterbiev as "strong, hits hard and walks straight forward" is genuinely one of the most asinine observations I've ever seen.





No it's not better. It's objectively wrong.



Yeah but that's just another foolish, blanket observation. It's like saying Fighter A could have beaten Fighter B if he just punched him more.

Betebiev went to the body well and broke Bivol down by Round 9, not with power, with his own set of skills and ability.. But Bivol is vastly skilled himself, so it's not as easy as just "going to the body" because of his elite movement and defense. That fight was as close to a high level chess match as you can get by two EXTREMELY skilled fighters.




Jerry Quarry moved better What a comical take. Why is that because he took backwards steps? Beterbiev's footwork is LEAGUES above Jerry Quarry's.

You are totally out of touch with reality. To make the claim that Jerry Quarry, a good, solid fighter but far from elite is even in the same league is Beterbiev is just straight up retarded. It's one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard in my life.

In regards to Beterbiev, your commentary on him leaves two options, you've never actually watched his fights in full or you just have no clue what's in front of you. It's one or the other.

You haven't explained a thing, you've only said I'm wrong. Tell me the differences, I need details. And don't tell me Beter went to the body well against Bivol. He hardly threw and body shots outside of the occasional jab and right cross to the body. Most of the fight was jab, jab, cross and 1-2. Did he mix other punches in? Of course, but not often. Beterbiev is a good fighter and I like him, but he comes straight forward more times than not, using pressure to wear opponents down. You can use all the adjectives you want to tell me why you think I'm wrong, but you still haven't explained why.