What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Bundana]

Because he uses the crouch and would be 5 ft 5. He also moves his head and wilder telegraphs everything. Hes also impossible to knockout.

picture if for a second, a top heavy unschooled whirlwind puncher trying to punch down at a man crouching to 5 fr 5 whos stronger than him. it would actually be a slaughter. I wouldn�t give Wilder even the slightest chance, I don�t even think he has the punchers chance.

So Wilder would have no chance - not even a puncher's chance. Because Rocky was impossible to knock out.

Man... this Marciano nonsense is getting weirder and weirder!

[Slugfester]

So Wilder would have no chance - not even a puncher's chance. Because Rocky was impossible to knock out.

Man... this Marciano nonsense is getting weirder and weirder!

I just wonder when Marciano will become as good a defender in his own way as Willie Pep. Maybe in three or four days?

[Dr. Z]

There were plenty. As many as today.
A lot of big guys can�t fight though.

carnera, buddy baer, jess willard, abs simon

the next era you got terrell, bugner, wepner (6�5)

the 90s you got Cooney, bowe and lewis.

00s you got vitali, wlad etc

every era had tall big guys. And this isnt including the dozens of second raters.

like michael Moore. A former light heavy beating up and almost stopping a 6�10 275 mike White. Explain that one.

No, there were not, prior to the 1990's.

The were rare and much bigger than their opponents in a weight perspective.

[them_apples]

No, there were not, prior to the 1990's.

The were rare and much bigger than their opponents in a weight perspective.

Carnera was 270 all muscle. Buddy baer was 6 ft 7 250. These were just the big guys people actually remember.

marciano faced these guys, although these are mostly just basic fighters on his way up. But they were big and it meant nothing.

Jerry Jackson over 6’ 254 lbs Marciano by KO 1 overhand right

Patrick Connely 6 ft 5 lbs Marciano KO 1 overhand right

Johnny Skorrr 6 ft 5 221 lb Marciano TKO 6 skorr down 3 times

Big Bill Wilson 6ft3 230 lb Marciano TKO 1 Cuts


Joe Louis 6ft 2 lbs Marciano KO 8 nearly killed old louis .​ theres a reason he retired. Cause he was on a 9-0 win streak.

once again, they aren’t bigger they are just carrying more weight! People can’t evolve in 50 years! Some are still alive today

[Dr. Z]

Carnera was 270 all muscle. Buddy baer was 6 ft 7 250. These were just the big guys people actually remember.

marciano faced these guys, although these are mostly just basic fighters on his way up. But they were big and it meant nothing.

Jerry Jackson over 6�¢���� 254 lbs Marciano by KO 1 overhand right

Patrick Connely 6 ft 5 lbs Marciano KO 1 overhand right

Johnny Skorrr 6 ft 5 221 lb Marciano TKO 6 skorr down 3 times

Big Bill Wilson 6ft3 230 lb Marciano TKO 1 Cuts


Joe Louis 6ft 2 lbs Marciano KO 8 nearly killed old louis .� theres a reason he retired. Cause he was on a 9-0 win streak.

once again, they aren�t bigger they are just carrying more weight! People can�t evolve in 50 years! Some are still alive today

For every name you say in the 1920-1960 I've got 20 names Wake up! The heavyweight game has changed.

[Dr. Z]

For every name you say in the 1920-1960 I've got 20 names Wake up! The heavyweight game has changed.

Look at the ranking today! 9 of 10 men are over 220 LBS, and the one who isn't is 6'5+"

https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272

[Willie Pep 229]

Someone mentioned earlier that the Ali-Marciano staged computer fight was comical and I agree.

Although I am tolerant of it because Ali at that point was busted flat and needed the payday.

But what I want to mention, however old Marciano was at that point, and as phoney as the whole damn thing looked, next time you get a chance to watch it, look at Marciano's legs.

They are the most powerful looking legs I have ever seen on a prize fighter. They must have somehow played into his power.

[them_apples]

Someone mentioned earlier that the Ali-Marciano staged computer fight was comical and I agree.

Although I am tolerant of it because Ali at that point was busted flat and needed the payday.

But what I want to mention, however old Marciano was at that point, and as phoney as the whole damn thing looked, next time you get a chance to watch it, look at Marciano's legs.

They are the most powerful looking legs I have ever seen on a prize fighter. They must have somehow played into his power.

There is an entire book on the computer fight out there, and I get a strong notion that Marciano busted Ali up. Reason being: Marciano actually trained hard for the event, Ali barely trained at all or took it seriously. Rocky got competitive with him and Ali complained of his power and mentioned he could no longer lift his arms. From that day forward, Ali in every single mention will say Marciano would be the toughest guy to beat. He used Marciano to downgrade the man that just beat him, Joe Frazier. He said with his own words “he may not have beat him”. He recognized what I keep trying to tell guys like ivich, that Marciano “had his own style”. He says that him and Marciano became good friends even though he only knew Rocky for 1 year. Marciano called him clay to his face the entire time and Ali never complained. Marciano never spoke nicely of Ali. There are confirmed stories of what happened in the sparring session. Ali kept knocking his toupee off. Marciano started sinking body shots into Ali. Ali complained as he was developing welts on his body. Ali got so mad he loaded up with a hard right cross to Marcianos head. All Marciano did was breath fire. Then I believe the boxing match was toned down seeing as the competitiveness of Marcianos antics. However there was some footage out there that showed both the hard right hand Ali landed and Marciano seemingly hitting Ali high on the head and disorienting his equilibrium. I can no longer find this clip but I have both in my mind and wish I could find it.

anyways, whatever all this means, it has to account for something. I just get a feeling personally that Marciano beat Ali up and they went hush hush about it. Even Cosells interview with him is a bit sus and he starts jabbing Ali for “being humble” and “no longer bragging”. I know nobody on this forum takes Marciano seriously but I really don’t wanna **** around with a guy like Marciano. Some people just don’t get it.

[Slugfester]

Someone mentioned earlier that the Ali-Marciano staged computer fight was comical and I agree.

Although I am tolerant of it because Ali at that point was busted flat and needed the payday.

But what I want to mention, however old Marciano was at that point, and as phoney as the whole damn thing looked, next time you get a chance to watch it, look at Marciano's legs.

They are the most powerful looking legs I have ever seen on a prize fighter. They must have somehow played into his power.

I aleady noted Marciano's legs. Monsters, especially seen from low shots beside the ring.

[Ivich]

Carnera was 270 all muscle. Buddy baer was 6 ft 7 250. These were just the big guys people actually remember.

marciano faced these guys, although these are mostly just basic fighters on his way up. But they were big and it meant nothing.

Jerry Jackson over 6�¢���� 254 lbs Marciano by KO 1 overhand right

Patrick Connely 6 ft 5 lbs Marciano KO 1 overhand right

Johnny Skorrr 6 ft 5 221 lb Marciano TKO 6 skorr down 3 times

Big Bill Wilson 6ft3 230 lb Marciano TKO 1 Cuts


Joe Louis 6ft 2 lbs Marciano KO 8 nearly killed old louis .� theres a reason he retired. Cause he was on a 9-0 win streak.

once again, they aren�t bigger they are just carrying more weight! People can�t evolve in 50 years! Some are still alive today

Connolly was a nobody who beat nobody his record was 6-5-3.
Jackson was a fat tub of lard his record was 4-2-0 he lost to Rocky ,was 4-3-0 and never fought again
Shkorr was a journeyman who had been kod in1 round by Walcott in his last fight, he had won just 1 of his last 8 fights.
Wilson was a journeyman who had lost to177lbs Nardico in his previous fight he was stopped 10 times.The Marciano fight proved nothing Wilson got a bad cut eye in the 1 st minute of the fight and it was stopped.
Marciano's other opponents of 200lbs or over were;

Washed up Savold who had his licence withdrawn after the fight.

Washed up 37 years old Louis who retired in the dressing room after the fight.

Eatman who laid down from the first good shot he took.

Fat ****ell who was a decent lhvy before he contracted glandular fever and his weight went through the roof,he had been knocked down multiple times and ko'd by middleweight Turpin.
Marciano hit him in the kidneys,hit him low 3 or 4 times,butted him,hit him when he was on the floor,and hit him after the bell,he also stipulated they fought in a tiny 16 ft ring,and it still took him9 rounds to get rid of him the fight was stopped with ****ell on his feet.

Donato 200lbs was7-13-0.Donato was stopped 7 times,he would have 2 more fights get kod in both of them and retire.

Simmons 8-8-1ended up 9-22-1 he primarily made his living as a sparring partner,he cut Marciano so badly the referee was thinking of stopping the fight.
Those are the 200 pounders Rocky fought.
Marciano was fed a collection of nobodies to start with as most boxers are,he faced very, very few ****ers,the best 2 he met dropped him,one was 38 years old the other 41.

Louis ko'd ranked big men.

Marciano stopped a lot of set- ups.
In his 1st 15 fights
Marciano's opponents were
0-0-0
3-5-0
1-1-0
8-8-0
His next fight was Ross?
He was believed to be a ringer
9-3-1
4-2-0
1-4-0
000
2-2-2
8-5-0
4-10-0
9-5-0
7-10- 0
9-15-1
In his 33rd fight Marciano faced181lbs Harold Mitchell 7-13-1 Michell had not won any of his last 11 fights,,he would have 2 more ,lose them and retire.


In his 15th fight Louis faced ranked Ramage 40-9-5
19th Carnera
20th Levinsky
21st Baer
22nd Uzcudun
23rdRetzlaff
36th Schmeling

Please don't compare Marciano's opposition to Louis'!