What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Ivich]

I see the threads you're popping up like the child you are.

Got your ass handed to you, make a new thread and reframe the supposition so it's more favorable than the hole you dug yourself here ... we are all so impressed

You are ****ing pathetic McVey.

Like I would seek your approval you certified looney! LOL!
I'm not banned anywhere am I.

[Marchegiano]

Like I would seek your approval you certified looney! LOL!
I'm not banned anywhere am I.

Well, yeah, you are a pu$$y. That's why you can't admit Marciano has any advantage at all, why I could call it out in my first post addressing you, and why you felt the need to reframe this conversation, what five times now? You got five threads now because you lost this one?

No doubt buddy. You're a massive twat and they don't hardly get banned anywhere.

rather be a raving lunatic with real life verified scientific credentials then a idioticly stubborn old man who has all the emotional fortitude of a nine year old new york ***ish princess and absolutely nothing in his personal life worth mentioning.

[Ivich]

Well, yeah, you are a pu$$y. That's why you can't admit Marciano has any advantage at all, why I could call it out in my first post addressing you, and why you felt the need to reframe this conversation, what five times now? You got five threads now because you lost this one?

No doubt buddy. You're a massive twat and they don't hardly get banned anywhere.

rather be a raving lunatic with real life verified scientific credentials then a idioticly stubborn old man who has all the emotional fortitude of a nine year old new york ***ish princess and absolutely nothing in his personal life worth mentioning.

IDIOTICLY ? You sure don't have "verified spelling credentials".lol

I'm off to Mauritius next Tuesday, is that worth mentioning? What is the criteria Mr McMurphy?

Loonies do get banned , both you and Dr Z are banned from Classic ESB.

Thanks for the entertainment,now wipe that spittle from your face. Nurse Ratched is coming!

[Marchegiano]

IDIOTICLY ? You sure don't have "verified spelling credentials".lol

I'm off to Mauritius next Tuesday, is that worth mentioning? What is the criteria Mr McMurphy?

Loonies do get banned , both you and Dr Z are banned from Classic ESB.

Thanks for the entertainment,now wipe that spittle from your face. Nurse Ratched is coming!

Just another thing you're wrong about. Glaukos is not banned.


Why do you keep responding but have absolutely nothing to say, still, to the fact that there is no era when the lower limit of HW wasn't represented in the higher rankings?


Edit: I forgot to address your travel, no, not impressed, not even a little bit. Want to watch me travel on TLC? Showtime? Discovery? Yes there is a serious credentials juxtaposition here. I'm a minorly famous inventor you call a looney. That's just a mad scientist bro, it's not even an insult. That's what I'm telling you.

Some old fairy who never once gave his balls a tug bragging about his ability to travel calling me a looney is not an insult, but you are still a fairy, you were a fairy before I called you a fairy, I'm not the first to call you ******, stubborn, or soft. Those are insults, bro.


Anything else you want to address without addressing the fact that the lower end of HW never struggled to become champions?

[them_apples]

I agree in most part with this,but with certain caveats.Joshua's gas tank problems have occurred against men much bigger than Marciano .I don't believe his gas tank would be depleted against a slow 185lbs ,five feet ten man who cut in all his major fights and was not very defensively adept.
If an old tired Joe Louis could jab him with impunity and cause cuts and swelling to both his eyes , Joshua should be able to mark him up pretty badly,and with 240lbs plus behind his jab he should be setting Rocky back on his heels every time he lands it.
Whenever Marciano manages to get inside the 60lbs heavier man would rag doll him.Joshua has a fine uppercut and the half crouching Rocky being so much shorter would be walking right into it.
I think it would be Marciano who would find himself manhandled and battered into exhaustion very early in the fight a fight in which his courage and will to win could result in permanent damage to his health.
Tyson is under 6 feet, but built like a fireplug a solid 200pounds plus fighter who has top drawer,[or very near it power]he also has blazingly fast hands ,coupled with an excellent punch selection, is extremely quick into range and fires bombs from the moment the first bell rings.Tyson had quick feet and knew how to cut the ring off.in his prime he was non stop pressure. once he trapped his man on the ropes it was usually game over.
Frazier was a bobbing and weaving dynamo ,once he got rolling it was full speed ahead,he possessed a very potent left hook, not up with the top drawer guys but he compensated for that by having the ability to seamlessly fire it and reload incessantly.

Like other short men Frazier had only one way to fight to come forward .Against the much bigger Foreman ,no speed demon, he found himself outgunned,constantly pushed back to George's optimum punching range he had no answer to the bigger man's heavier artillery and,when he did get inside George upper cut the life out of him.


Dempsey a crouching, weaving beast looked to overwhelm his man,he had great power,fast hands, quick feet, elusive in attack ,with excellent balance and he could generate top drawer velocity into short punches that took out much bigger men, his ruthless pursuit of the ko was the template for Tyson to later emulate.Jack took a good shot had cut resistant skin, and could box when the occasion demanded.

this would literally never happen. The dialog on Joshua is a joke. Joshua isn’t landing a massive uppercut on Marciano because Marciano isn’t susceptible to it. He crouches and leans to his right. Find footage of him eating uppercuts? He’s not a Frazier, Marciano actually fights with intelligence.

secondly, an old Louis has a far superior jab to Joshua. Joshua still hasn’t learned how to really throw a jab properly, and probably never will due to his physique.

3rd, Marciano was the one who said Louis had a snappy jab. But the fight was one sided. JUST WATCH IT

[Ivich]

this would literally never happen. The dialog on Joshua is a joke. Joshua isnât landing a massive uppercut on Marciano because Marciano isnât susceptible to it. He crouches and leans to his right. Find footage of him eating uppercuts? Heâs not a Frazier, Marciano actually fights with intelligence.

secondly, an old Louis has a far superior jab to Joshua. Joshua still hasnât learned how to really throw a jab properly, and probably never will due to his physique.

3rd, Marciano was the one who said Louis had a snappy jab. But the fight was one sided. JUST WATCH IT

I've made a Marciano thread just for you Apples.It's Rocky against some of the modern sized heavyweights.I wonder why you haven't posted on it?
Marciano was the one who said," I couldn't avoid his jabs,I just had to take them." I first watched the fight in1964.

[Ivich]

Just another thing you're wrong about. Glaukos is not banned.


Why do you keep responding but have absolutely nothing to say, still, to the fact that there is no era when the lower limit of HW wasn't represented in the higher rankings?


Edit: I forgot to address your travel, no, not impressed, not even a little bit. Want to watch me travel on TLC? Showtime? Discovery? Yes there is a serious credentials juxtaposition here. I'm a minorly famous inventor you call a looney. That's just a mad scientist bro, it's not even an insult. That's what I'm telling you.

Some old fairy who never once gave his balls a tug bragging about his ability to travel calling me a looney is not an insult, but you are still a fairy, you were a fairy before I called you a fairy, I'm not the first to call you ******, stubborn, or soft. Those are insults, bro.


Anything else you want to address without addressing the fact that the lower end of HW never struggled to become champions?

MINORLY?
I'm not bragging about anything,you said I never do anything. I've visited 25 countries ,hitch hiked half way around the world as a young man and go where I want when I want.

At 75 I'm obviously slowing down a bit, but I still go to 2 music venues a week,and have a pretty full social life.I usually manage 3 overseas holidays a year,plus long week ends away in my own country.
I've 5 kids and 8 grandchildren,sorry, you calling me a Fairy isn't taken as an insult by me, a Fairy in UK parlance is taken to mean a gay man.I've several gay friends and happen to think Gays as a community have contributed enormously to the world.
eg
Oscar Wilde
Michelangelo
Leonardo Davinci
Anderson Cooper
Alan Turing
Rudolf Nureyev
Nijinsky
Samuel Barber
Benjamin Britten
Pyotr Tchaikovsky
W H Auden
Wilfred Owen
Siegfried Sassoon
Cole Porter
Lorenz Hart
Jean Cocteau
Andre Gide
James Baldwin
Elton John
Freddie Mercury
George Michael
Johnny Mathis
Andy Wharhol
Emile Griffith
Panama Al Brown
Montgomery Clift
James Dean
Are just a few gays that have enriched the world with their talent
****phobic dinosaurs like yourself are still in the dark ages.

However,I must say I do love it when you unashamedly pat yourself on the back,if you were a cat you would lick yourself! lol
Is the lower end of the heavy division represented today?
Where can I find them in the worlds top ten rankings?

Which of them has challenged for the heavyweight title in the last 20 years?
N. B .That's 2 decades McMurphy.

[them_apples]

I've made a Marciano thread just for you Apples.It's Rocky against some of the modern sized heavyweights.I wonder why you haven't posted on it?
Marciano was the one who said," I couldn't avoid his jabs,I just had to take them." I first watched the fight in1964.

I get it with the last sentance you have been around longer than me, but I have still watched the bout with a close eye many many many times.

[Ivich]

I get it with the last sentance you have been around longer than me, but I have still watched the bout with a close eye many many many times.

Mate I don't agree with you about Marciano, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[Willie Pep 229]

Fury better watch out for those strawweights. They're fast.

Hey, Dempsey had a bantamweight he used to chase around the ring to improve his footwork and entertain the training camp crowd.