What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Marchegiano]

You called me a Fairy which is slang for a ****sexual gay.

I boxed for nearly 20 years during that time I was never ,"soft", I would have beat the piss out of a psuedo crank like you without working up a sweat,now behave yourself you ridiculous onanist.

Bro you're being soft currently you ****** ****.

You're using one of many insults to blow up and turn focus to so you can avoid the fact that you are too bias to admit a 185 pound man has more stamina than a 245 pound man.


You're over here focusing on one term that's **** all to do with this subject or boxing. Wonder why


OO boxed for 20 years, I made you cry just by showing up *****. You have no emotional fortitude you *****.



Also, just FYI, my inventions are mostly for the LGBT. It's another path you chose that you can not possibly beat me in. Dumbass. You can watch me on your TV filmed by hollywood cameras hanging out with my ***** audience, dumbass.

[Ivich]

Bro you're being soft currently you ****** ****.

You're using one of many insults to blow up and turn focus to so you can avoid the fact that you are too bias to admit a 185 pound man has more stamina than a 245 pound man.


You're over here focusing on one term that's **** all to do with this subject or boxing. Wonder why


OO boxed for 20 years, I made you cry just by showing up *****. You have no emotional fortitude you *****.



Also, just FYI, my inventions are mostly for the LGBT. It's another path you chose that you can not possibly beat me in. Dumbass. You can watch me on your TV filmed by hollywood cameras hanging out with my ***** audience, dumbass.

Why would I want a visual image of you? The image you have created here is bad enough!lol

Aren't your hands getting sore from constantly patting yourself on the back?
" Self praise is no recommendation " lol

[Marchegiano]

Both of these threads were created to reframe this conversation so Ivich can salvage his embarrassment.

Roy Jones 193lbs v A J,Fury,Bowe,Lewis,Wlad ,and Vitali - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)

Marciano vJoshua,Lewis,Wlad, Vitali & Fury? - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)


Put yourself in a corner of tardiness. TF else could you do?





Anything on the fact Marciano has better stamina than Wlad? Nothing? Still can not admit that?


Gee your opinion on weight divisions and importance of size in boxing has some level of validity to it. Because Roy didn't weight 191, Wilder didn't weigh 201, , super strong evidence when compared to your inability to even admit a smaller man has an advantage himself.








At the beginning I said two things would not be provided by those who argue with me:

1.) Any era in which celebrated smaller HWs did not become top tens or champions.

2.) Ivich is so bias he would not admit to any advantage on the smaller man's end.





Here we are, no era provided, Ivich still can't admit Wlad's humanity.




Hmmmm




No era provided, no admission of balancing, but since Roy was 193 and not 190 or because fans like Bowe, that totes disarms my entire position.






This isn't that ****ing hard you morons. You're acting like acknowledging HWs are human beings and acknowledging your own perspective is wrong are the same thing. It's not. We're stuck here until you ******s acknowledge size does not grant you only advantages. Size comes with disadvantages as well.





Why y'all playing ****** LGBT grab ass instead of addressing the fact that large men do not simply get advantages with no disadvantage to gaining size?


That's rhetorical dumbass, get back to boxing. You morons let an ******* blow up an insult into the topic so that he can avoid the original topic. Like **** will that happen.

[Marchegiano]

Why would I want a visual image of you? The image you have created here is bad enough!lol

Aren't your hands getting sore from constantly patting yourself on the back?
" Self praise is no recommendation " lol

It isn't me squirming around the subject trying to turn everything into some personal attack, nor is it my fault in your 75 years you've no academic or athletic achievement of note.

You enjoy calling me looney? Well son, okay, let's get all sorts of personal then ******. I'll destroy you at every turn. You've a better chance sticking to boxing. You need to be one of the rarest human beings on the planet to humble me by comparison. You keep losing. It's like as if you can't even think of an angle I have not done and done to a point where you're just some **** on a forum talking to an actual credentialed maf in the industry.


Oh Ivich friend of the gays That's going to work real well for you. Paint me as a ****phobe and you as some kind of ******* hero because words on a screen trump invention, activism, and charity ****ing mook.


You could go back to talking boxing, but you can't admit Marciano has better stamina than Wlad so ... I mean can you go back to talking boxing?

[Ivich]

Both of these threads were created to reframe this conversation so Ivich can salvage his embarrassment.

Roy Jones 193lbs v A J,Fury,Bowe,Lewis,Wlad ,and Vitali - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)

Marciano vJoshua,Lewis,Wlad, Vitali & Fury? - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)


Put yourself in a corner of tardiness. TF else could you do?





Anything on the fact Marciano has better stamina than Wlad? Nothing? Still can not admit that?


Gee your opinion on weight divisions and importance of size in boxing has some level of validity to it. Because Roy didn't weight 191, Wilder didn't weigh 201, , super strong evidence when compared to your inability to even admit a smaller man has an advantage himself.








At the beginning I said two things would not be provided by those who argue with me:

1.) Any era in which celebrated smaller HWs did not become top tens or champions.

2.) Ivich is so bias he would not admit to any advantage on the smaller man's end.





Here we are, no era provided, Ivich still can't admit Wlad's humanity.




Hmmmm




No era provided, no admission of balancing, but since Roy was 193 and not 190 or because fans like Bowe, that totes disarms my entire position.






This isn't that ****ing hard you morons. You're acting like acknowledging HWs are human beings and acknowledging your own perspective is wrong are the same thing. It's not. We're stuck here until you ******s acknowledge size does not grant you only advantages. Size comes with disadvantages as well.





Why y'all playing ****** LGBT grab ass instead of addressing the fact that large men do not simply get advantages with no disadvantage to gaining size?


That's rhetorical dumbass, get back to boxing. You morons let an ******* blow up an insult into the topic so that he can avoid the original topic. Like **** will that happen.

They were designed to flush out those who insist Marciano could beat modern class heavyweights.

To his credit Them Apples stepped up to the plate and nailed his colours to the mast.

You on the other hand have shown no inclination to do so!
All you have done is compulsively and repeatedly state that a185lbs man has more stamina than a 245lbs one .

The fact that nobody,including me, had said anything to the contrary has totally escaped you.

Possibly because you have been to busy trying to impress us by saying what a wonderful inventor and all round smart guy you are! lol

[Marchegiano]

They were designed to flush out those who insist Marciano could beat modern class heavyweights.

To his credit Them Apples stepped up to the plate and nailed his colours to the mast.

You on the other hand have shown no inclination to do so!
All you have done is compulsively and repeatedly state that a185lbs man has more stamina than a 245lbs one .

The fact that nobody,including me, had said anything to the contrary has totally escaped you.

Possibly because you have been to busy trying to impress us by saying what a wonderful inventor and all round smart guy you are! lol

Firstly, you explain to me what "Roy Jones 193lbs v A J,Fury,Bowe,Lewis,Wlad ,and Vitali" has to do with Marciano.

Yeah, exactly, full of ****, again. Has nothing to do with Marciano and everything to do with reframing this ass whooping you've taken to something you perceive as winnable.


You're right, I have no intention of speaking in those threads. They're about the same exact **** I already spoke to here and positioned you so you felt the need to make them. You're a worm, it's a worm's move to do. Why should I follow you and reset this argument?

Why even make those threads?

They were designed for what? What the **** is the point of this thread? Alright then, they're pointless threads. There's 0 reason to make a thread outside of the one already running about Roy or Rocky other than you do not like the state of the current thread.


**** man, let's see you worm that. I'm honestly interested in the mental gymnastics at this point.

[them_apples]

You have no idea about my personal set of rules,but I can tell you this they do not come from PC or religion. 1984 was originally going to be called 1948
You don't have to like anyone ,but disliking total strangers because of their sexual orientation is bigoted and illogical.
Your diatribe sounds just like that guff Senator McCarthy was espousing back in the day,with his Reds Under The Beds scary tales.

It's Communism that has collapsed not Catholicism.

It was the ****s who were big fans of Eugenics not the Bolsheviks.

It was the 1st WW, which ushered in women to the workplace and pushed the right to vote to be ratified in the US in1920,[it took another 8 years in the UK.]
Your figures are wrong.
China the worlds largest Communist country has seen its population growth fal to record levels.

China, the worlds largest Communist country has seen its population growth fall to record levels..

1. www.theguardian.com › world › 2024China population decline accelerates as birthrate hits record ...
   
   
   Jan 17, 2024 · Share. China’s population decline has accelerated, with a second year of record-low birthrates. The total number of people in China dropped by 2.75 million – or 0.2% – to 1.409 billion in ...
2. www.nytimes.com › business › china-birth-rateChina’s Population Falls, Heralding a Demographic Crisis
   
   
   Jan 16, 2023 · Births were down from 10.6 million in 2021, the sixth straight year that the number had fallen, according to the National Bureau of Statistics. China’s overall population now stands at 1.41...
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   Jan 16, 2024 · China said on Wednesday that 9.02 million babies were born in 2023, down from 9.56 million in 2022 and the seventh year in a row that the number has fallen. Taken together with the number of...
4. www.bbc.com › news › world-asia-china-64300190China's population falls for first time since 1961 - BBC
   
   
   Jan 17, 2023 · 17 January 2023. By Kelly Ng,BBC News. Getty Images. China's birth rate has hit a record low. China's population has fallen for the first time in 60 years, with the national birth....

Russia too has seen a steady decline in birth rate,

1. www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-51120165Russia's ***** seeks to stimulate birth rate - BBC
   
   
   Jan 15, 2020 · President Vladimir ***** has announced a series of plans to increase the number of children being born in Russia from an average birth rate of under 1.5 per woman to 1.7 within four years....
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   Dec 2, 2023 · Raising Russia’s birth rates and reversing population decline have been goals close to *****’s heart throughout his 23-year rule, but never more so than in the past three or four years ...
4. en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Demographics_of_RussiaDemographics of Russia - Wikipedia
   
   
   The crude birth rate - 8.9 per 100,000 inhabitants - was the lowest since the year 2000. Russia has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world with 1.42 children per woman in 2022, below 2.1 children per woman, which must be the number reached in order to maintain its population.
   • Birth rate: 9.0 births/1,000 population (2022)
   • Growth rate: -0.39 (2020)
   • Death rate: 13.1 deaths/1,000 population (2022)
   • Population: 147,182,123 (2021 census), 144,699,673 (excluding Crimea)
5. www.economist.com › europe › 2023/03/04Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse
   
   
   Mar 4, 2023 · Its population is falling unusually fast and may drop to 130m by mid-century. The decline is associated with increased misery: the life expectancy at birth of Russian males plummeted from 68.8 in ...
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   Jan 15, 2020 · President ***** says that Russia's birth rate is currently at 1.48 women per children. While this is a significant increase from 1999, when the figure fell to 1.16, Mr ***** hopes to raise...
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   Jan 15, 2020 · President Vladimir ***** has announced a series of plans to increase the number of children being born in Russia from an average birth rate of under 1.5 per woman to 1.7 within four years....

"The world is a fine place and well worth fighting for." Ernest Hemingway.

the bolsheviks were certainly heavily into eugenics. I dont want to argue for the next 10 days.

you are proving my point though, Marxist countries have birthrates that drop due to women in the workplace instead of the kitchen. We are all suffering from population collapse. The west has been under a marxist wing for years.

[Ivich]

Both of these threads were created to reframe this conversation so Ivich can salvage his embarrassment.

Roy Jones 193lbs v A J,Fury,Bowe,Lewis,Wlad ,and Vitali - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)

Marciano vJoshua,Lewis,Wlad, Vitali & Fury? - Boxing Forum (boxingscene.com)


Put yourself in a corner of tardiness. TF else could you do?





Anything on the fact Marciano has better stamina than Wlad? Nothing? Still can not admit that?


Gee your opinion on weight divisions and importance of size in boxing has some level of validity to it. Because Roy didn't weight 191, Wilder didn't weigh 201, , super strong evidence when compared to your inability to even admit a smaller man has an advantage himself.








At the beginning I said two things would not be provided by those who argue with me:

1.) Any era in which celebrated smaller HWs did not become top tens or champions.

2.) Ivich is so bias he would not admit to any advantage on the smaller man's end.





Here we are, no era provided, Ivich still can't admit Wlad's humanity.




Hmmmm




No era provided, no admission of balancing, but since Roy was 193 and not 190 or because fans like Bowe, that totes disarms my entire position.






This isn't that ****ing hard you morons. You're acting like acknowledging HWs are human beings and acknowledging your own perspective is wrong are the same thing. It's not. We're stuck here until you ******s acknowledge size does not grant you only advantages. Size comes with disadvantages as well.





Why y'all playing ****** LGBT grab ass instead of addressing the fact that large men do not simply get advantages with no disadvantage to gaining size?


That's rhetorical dumbass, get back to boxing. You morons let an ******* blow up an insult into the topic so that he can avoid the original topic. Like **** will that happen.

My very first sentence.states why I made the threads
"They were designed to flush out those who insist Marciano could beat modern class heavyweights."

I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed,just bemused that you refuse to give answers to my H 2 H matchups on 2 separate threads though you refer to them incessantly.

Jones weighed 193lbs when he won a version of the title from Ruiz.

Wilder weighed 219lbs when he won a version of the title from Stiverne.


Get it now you DUMB ****!

Its blatantly obvious why Apples made this thread.To boost Marciano's chances against modern sized heavies.He believes Marciano beats all of them and only Vitali survives to hear the final bell .


Where on this forum have I ,or anyone else said Wlad had better stamina than Marciano?

Where have I or anyone else said smaller men do NOT have a stamina advantage over bigger men?

What I HAVE said is a smaller man, pulling ,clinching and tugging against a man 60lbs heavier is likely to wear himself out before the bigger man does .
Are you sure you aren't Dr Z's brother?
He has reading comprehension issues too.lol

Now, do you think you could grow a pair and answer my question re the modern heavy matchups I named against Jones Jnr, and Marciano?

Or, are you going to keep fixatedly salivating on Marciano's stamina,I'm betting on the latter!

[them_apples]

My very first sentence.
"They were designed to flush out those who insist Marciano could beat modern class heavyweights."


Jones weighed 193lbs when he won a version of the title from Ruiz.Wilder weighed 219lbs when he won a version of the title from Stiverne.
Get it now you DUMB ****!

We shoulda told Marciano to stop training so hard and eat a bit more, cause the 235 lb chubby version in the Ali computer fight was the GOAT right?

[Ivich]

We shoulda told Marciano to stop training so hard and eat a bit more, cause the 235 lb chubby version in the Ali computer fight was the GOAT right?

You rank him where you wish,
I have him at about 13 all time.
Lewis,Tyson, , Holyfield have displaced him from my top ten.
I also don't think he beats either of the Klits or Bowe.
To categorically answer the question you posed in the title of your thread.
The evidence is clear
THERE AINT NO BOXERS THE SIZE OF THOSE IN OLDER ERAS IE UNDER 190lbs&
UNDER 6 ft COMPETING IN TODAYS HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION.