What evidence do we have that heavyweights were too small in the past to compete today? and what determines a fighters size?

[Marchegiano]

There is no rule that prohibits a man under 200lbs challenging for the heavyweight title.That is what I believe ,that is what I know,and that is what I said.
The WBC has a ruling that one of their champions must ask for permission to challenge for a WBC title in another weight division .
To my knowledge that permission has never been refused.
Perhaps you would like to provide examples when that request has been refused?
The WBC has no objection with boxers recognized as champions by other organizations stepping out of their weight class and challenging their champions provided the necessary sanction fees are complied with.
I know this because I have actually read their rule book!

Do stop with the spin about middleweights challenging modern heavyweights, I never suggested that and you know it.
A middleweight challenge to a modern heavyweight champion would never be sanctioned because it would not be financially viable.

Because nobody would pay to watch a foregone conclusion!

Yeah but you're wrong.

When the minimum was 190 we had 190s HWs. As the minimum became 200, 100% of the 190s HWs went away.

Are you telling me, have you the neck to claim, every man weighing 190 pounds is too scared to fight any man weighing 200 pounds. Sanctioned HW fights featuring 190s HW died when CW moved to 200. TF else do you need jabroni?

[Ivich]

??????? This is literally my argument. What a foolish thing to say. YOU dispute my claims on a mans actual size then go on to say Frazier is just blown up.

THEY ALL ARE BLOWN UP

wilder has gone from 212 -230 in one year, and he looks blown up even at 212.

is Fury not carrying 50+ lbs of excess weight on his skinny fat knock kneed build?

Where in my post did I say Frazier was just blown up? Do stop putting words in my mouth .
Here is my statement.
FRAZIERS BEST WEIGHT WAS 205LBS AT 5FT 11IN, ALL HE DID AGAINST FOREMAN WAS ADD 9LBS OF FAT TO HIS FRAME.

[Marchegiano]

My point is the WBC is fine with men under their 220lbs limit which YOU cited, fighting their heavyweight champions.

It's a disputed limit, no body is fine with under 200. The limit that is not disputed. Duh. You're ****ing dumb, reaching, and looking like an idiot all over the forum.



BTW, more than a 60 pound spread is illegal. Even within the HW division. Dumbass.

[Willie Pep 229]

Not exactly what you were looking for but within the logic vein of the debate.

From the Nevada Unarmed Combat Rules:

NAC 467.476 Boxers: Weight classes; weight differences

2.  No boxing contest or exhibition may be scheduled, and no unarmed combatants may engage in a boxing contest or exhibition, without the approval of the Commission or the Commission’s representative if the difference in weight between unarmed combatants exceeds the allowance shown in the following schedule:

up to 118 lbs . . not more than 3 lbs.

118 lbs.-126 lbs . . not more than 5 lbs.

126 lbs.-135 lbs . . not more than 7 lbs.

135 lbs.-147 lbs . . not more than 9 lbs.

147 lbs.-160 lbs . . not more than 11 lbs.

160 lbs.-175 lbs . . not more than 12 lbs.

175 lbs.-195 lbs . . not more than 20 lbs.

195 lbs. and over . . no limit.

There is no doubt that two HWs can be any weight they like.

What is still vague to my mind is the question as to whether a160 pound man is bound by the 11 pound limit when fighting a plus 195 pound man.

But most importantly there is no doubt in my mind that these are suggested limits that the commission can override anytime it sees fit. (See boldface above.)

My conclusion: there a minimum, yes, but that the minimums are merely a suggestion; or better stated, a regulation that ensures the commission can take a closer look at the match-up if the weight discrepancy is too large.

Hope this helps, but it probably doesn't.

[Ivich]

Not exactly what you were looking for but within the logic vein of the debate.

From the Nevada Unarmed Combat Rules:

NAC 467.476 Boxers: Weight classes; weight differences

2.  No boxing contest or exhibition may be scheduled, and no unarmed combatants may engage in a boxing contest or exhibition, without the approval of the Commission or the Commission’s representative if the difference in weight between unarmed combatants exceeds the allowance shown in the following schedule:

up to 118 lbs . . not more than 3 lbs.

118 lbs.-126 lbs . . not more than 5 lbs.

126 lbs.-135 lbs . . not more than 7 lbs.

135 lbs.-147 lbs . . not more than 9 lbs.

147 lbs.-160 lbs . . not more than 11 lbs.

160 lbs.-175 lbs . . not more than 12 lbs.

175 lbs.-195 lbs . . not more than 20 lbs.

195 lbs. and over . . no limit.

There is no doubt that two HWs can be any weight they like.

What is still vague to my mind is the question as to whether a160 pound man is bound by the 11 pound limit when fighting a plus 195 pound man.

But most importantly there is no doubt in my mind that these are suggested limits that the commission can override anytime it sees fit. (See boldface above.)

My conclusion: there a minimum, yes, but that the minimums are merely a suggestion; or better stated, a regulation that ensures the commission can take a closer look at the match-up if the weight discrepancy is too large.

Hope this helps, but it probably doesn't.

As I stated a WBC champion can fight a WBC champion at the different weight provided he asks for permission.No permission is needed if the fighter is from another alphabet organization.I literally read the WBC rules less than an hour ago.

[Ivich]

It's a disputed limit, no body is fine with under 200. The limit that is not disputed. Duh. You're ****ing dumb, reaching, and looking like an idiot all over the forum.



BTW, more than a 60 pound spread is illegal. Even within the HW division. Dumbass.

NO IT IS NOT Haye was100lbs lighter than Valuev Im providing facts you are providing childish insults

2020 WBC Mauricio Sulaiman A New Weight Division: Bridgerweight


By Mauricio Sulaimán – Son of José Sulaimán -President of the WBC

Modern boxing was born in England and for more than a century didn’t have any rules nor weight categories. After some rules were stablished boxing continued and eventually the the National Sporting Club created the 8 original divisions to group into categories by weight in search for similar competition level between the contenders, these being the following:

Division / Pounds

Fly 112

Bantam 118

Feather 126

Light 135

Welter 147

Middle 160

Lt.Heavy 175

Heavy 176 to infinity .
I E
If Heavyweight A scaled 220bs and Heavyweight B scaled 280lbs OR MORE there would be no objection to them fighting!

[Ivich]

Yeah but you're wrong.

When the minimum was 190 we had 190s HWs. As the minimum became 200, 100% of the 190s HWs went away.

Are you telling me, have you the neck to claim, every man weighing 190 pounds is too scared to fight any man weighing 200 pounds. Sanctioned HW fights featuring 190s HW died when CW moved to 200. TF else do you need jabroni?

I have provided examples of the WBC sanctioning heavyweight title fights when one of the boxers was less than 220lbs therefore your argument is totally blown out of the water.Obviously you have neither the class or the testicles to admit this.That is because you are whom you are ,no further elaboration is needed.

[Marchegiano]

I have provided examples of the WBC sanctioning heavyweight title fights when one of the boxers was less than 220lbs therefore your argument is totally blown out of the water.Obviously you have neither the class or the testicles to admit this.That is because you are whom you are ,no further elaboration is needed.

That's nonsense, and a pu$$y way out.

The ABC limit is 200, the WBC is currently trying to get a 220 division accepted. It's really that simple.

You have two different eras with two different weight limits and not one example of the weight limit ever broken, but, you can show the WBC conceding their rules to the ABC. Cool.

190s boxers stopped being HWs because they're all scared. But you used to be a boxer for 20 years doe Sure pal.

[Marchegiano]

NO IT IS NOT Haye was100lbs lighter than Valuev Im providing facts you are providing childish insults

2020 WBC Mauricio Sulaiman A New Weight Division: Bridgerweight


By Mauricio Sulaimán – Son of José Sulaimán -President of the WBC

Modern boxing was born in England and for more than a century didn’t have any rules nor weight categories. After some rules were stablished boxing continued and eventually the the National Sporting Club created the 8 original divisions to group into categories by weight in search for similar competition level between the contenders, these being the following:

Division / Pounds

Fly 112

Bantam 118

Feather 126

Light 135

Welter 147

Middle 160

Lt.Heavy 175

Heavy 176 to infinity .
I E
If Heavyweight A scaled 220bs and Heavyweight B scaled 280lbs OR MORE there would be no objection to them fighting!

It is, you have to seek exceptions. You'd know this if you knew much about Valuev or Butterbean.

[Ivich]

It is, you have to seek exceptions. You'd know this if you knew much about Valuev or Butterbean.

There is no limit to the weight discrepancy between two heavyweights.

ps That is why it is called to INFINITY ie UNLIMITED!