Harry Greb, the true Goat

[Willie Pep 229]

That is exactly right.Once champion he decided he was worth more than £6000 for a title defence!

Did the sporting club involved ever make a second offer?

[JAB5239]

At the time, Langford fought at heavyweight.

In the middle of 1912 Sam was 174lbs. I can find the weights for .middleweight if need be.

[Ivich]

In the middle of 1912 Sam was 174lbs. I can find the weights for .middleweight if need be.

Which does not mean he wasnt fighting at heavyweight/fighting heavyweights,which he began doing in1905!

[Ivich]

Did the sporting club involved ever make a second offer?

Not to my knowledge. On a side note Langford's biggest ever purse was for fighting Iron Hague at the NSC.

[them_apples]

Idk if that is relevant. History is written by the winners as the saying goes. And I'm not gullible enough to think there aren't embellishments in many of the folklore & propaganda in the books we learned from coming up. Personally I was always skeptical how the enemies of the US had one testicle or were religious with a p#rn stash. Maybe those are 100% true stories but they feel kinda of like propaganda against our enemies.

There is a fair distance from a sexy resume to the Greatest Of All Time.

History is written by the winners applies to political / diplomatic history, as many governments want to hide things that could radicalize a country.

when it comes to boxing, there is nothing there filtering or protecting a boxer. If you have 50+ accounts from various unrelated individuals you can say history is pieced together fairly.

[JAB5239]

Which does not mean he wasnt fighting at heavyweight/fighting heavyweights,which he began doing in1905!

Yes he was fighting heavyweights then, but also Middleweights because he was weighing in at or around the middleweight limit. And why was he fighting heavyweights? Because he couldn't get a title shot at 160 or 175 and there was more money against the big boys.

[Dr. Z]

Yes he was fighting heavyweights then, but also Middleweights because he was weighing in at or around the middleweight limit. And why was he fighting heavyweights? Because he couldn't get a title shot at 160 or 175 and there was more money against the big boys.

And which white heavyweights that were good as in top 5 guys that would have be ranked ducked Sam? That is my point.

[JAB5239]

And which white heavyweights that were good as in top 5 guys that would have be ranked ducked Sam? That is my point.

No, you're trying to change this to Johnson ducking Langford and ignoring what and who I have pointed out to you from middle and lightheavyweight.

[Eff Pandas]

History is written by the winners applies to political / diplomatic history, as many governments want to hide things that could radicalize a country.

when it comes to boxing, there is nothing there filtering or protecting a boxer. If you have 50+ accounts from various unrelated individuals you can say history is pieced together fairly.

Sure, but I don't think its completely unrelated to other things either, like sports or boxing specifically.

Idk what the number of ppl to cosign history is or to not think your, mine or someone else might think differently if we saw film of a guy so can't comment if 50 does the job.

And I mean just look at sh^t as is. There is disagreement in if Monster or Bud is the #1 guy today ffs. And there are often disputes on whos #1 or who should be in the top 10. And ppl have seen Monster & Bud fight numerous times over the years. They can go watch & study them rn. And there is still some dispute & there has been too numerous to mention disputes in the past. And we got ppl saying up in here Greb, who no one saw, only read about, is not only #1 of his day, but #1 of all the days. And only off words. Thats a wild ass opinion to have so much confidence in imho.

[Willie Pep 229]

History is written by the winners applies to political / diplomatic history, as many governments want to hide things that could radicalize a country.

when it comes to boxing, there is nothing there filtering or protecting a boxer. If you have 50+ accounts from various unrelated individuals you can say history is pieced together fairly.

Or you can say it is merely "lies agreed upon." Napoleon.

This isn't math, there is never an absolute right or wrong answer, just opinions.