The top ten Heavyweight Legacies of the fighters from 1999 to current

[billeau2]

****, 250 points. Let's go champ.

Listen Bub! I am Willow Wisp's manager and we want Saudi money for responses like that. Well take on Doctor Q. and Doctor Z... But we are ducking Queenie. It is the smell when he does not change the diapers...

[billeau2]

Yes,we have seen this done several times.

It is always strange to me how quickly people are willing to abandon all context in the name of "ratings." It is a constant mistake... There has to be parity between the skills observed, and the ranking for any fighter.

[Ivich]

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

Yes Jennings was indeed top ten Ring ranked when Ortiz beat him,I think he was the only one of his opponents to be ranked though.
I think there are at least nine better than Ortiz.

[Dr. Z]

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

Lots to chew on here. Ortiz was a good fighter in his prime, but no worse than 8th best in the 21stst century? Really? No comment.

Which facts am I not entitled to?

Wilder beat the old man Ortiz( 38+ ) , who was not close to his best. He will face a man when he is older / past his best and sometimes his power has to bail him out. But not a prime raked guy! Unless there is a boat load of money AKA Fury it in. He is a very well managed guy and one who takes full advantage of the dreadful USA heavyweight scene.

Fury rips off the fans, cheats in fights, abuses PED's and like Wilder loves to fight older . unranked men. The totality of which does not win and fans that I know.

Yeah Ortiz in his amateur days was very good. I was not talking amateurs.

[Dr. Z]

Jennings was indeed top ten Ring ranked when Ortiz beat him,I think he was the only one of his opponents to be ranked though.
I think there are at least nine better than Ortiz.

Jennings was somehow ranked by Ring magazine after his initial loss to Wlad in April 2015. His was ranked 8th.

The annual ratings were in December 2015.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th...Annual_Ratings

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century - Willow the Wisp

Ortiz lone ring magazine ranked win, was 8th at the time?!

You do not agree with this Ortiz was 8th best this century, do you?

[Ivich]

Jennings was somehow ranked by Ring magazine after his initial loss to Wlad in April 2015. His was ranked 8th.

The annual ratings were in December 2015.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th...Annual_Ratings



Ortiz lone ring magazine ranked win, was 8th at the time?!

You do not agree with this Ortiz was 8th best this century, do you?

Ortiz was ;
No5 in2015
No 4 in2016
No 5 in2017
No 5 in2018
No 5 in2018

I've already said I think there were at least nine men better than him in the 21st century
Do you actually read posts before you reply to them?

[Dr. Z]

Ortiz was ;
No5 in2015
No 4 in2016
No 5 in2017
No 5 in2018
No 5 in2018

I've already said I think there were at least nine men better than him in the 21st century
Do you actually read posts before you reply to them?

I know where Ortiz was. The issue is was Jennings the lone ring ranked opponent when Ortiz beat him? I say yes.

I say Ortiz is not even top 20 ranked of heavyweights this century! Do you agree with that?

[Ivich]

I know where Ortiz was. The issue is was Jennings the lone ring ranked opponent when Ortiz beat him? I say yes.

I say Ortiz is not even top 20 ranked of heavyweights this century! Do you agree with that?

I believe I've already said Jennings is his only win over a Ring ranked opponent.
Ortiz probably makes the top twenty of this century.

[Dr. Z]

I believe I've already said Jennings is his only win over a Ring ranked opponent.
Ortiz probably makes the top twenty of this century.

I do not think he does. Top 20 this century based on beating one ranked guy, who was 8th. You have Low standards. If you make a top 20 list for this century I would like to see it.

Ortiz probably makes the top twenty of this century, you say.

[Ivich]

I do not think he does. Top 20 this century based on beating one ranked guy, who was 8th. You have Low standards. If you make a top 20 list for this century I would like to see it.

Ortiz probably makes the top twenty of this century, you say.

Post yours and I will follow.