The top ten Heavyweight Legacies of the fighters from 1999 to current

[Ivich]

I guess I can take that reply. By the way, which three fights was Wlad deducted points in his 69 fight career? 69 fights is nearly three times as much as the foul man Fury had. IMO he could have had more points taken away from him on clear fouls.



In comparison to Fury, Wlad is a cleaner man, and one who fought much more ring magazine opponents their prime.

You can take it or leave it.
Wlad had points taken against;
Haye Rd7.
Povetkin R d11.
Jennings Rd 10.

[Dr. Z]

The D3vil

I didn't say he was as great as Vlad.

Learn to read dooofus.

I said, his level of competition was crappy.

Wlad's 20-something title defenses makes him the definitive champion of the post-Lennox era, but he never fought anybody as good as a prime Tyson Fury, period.

And I think a Luis Ortiz that everybody else was running away from like the plague was his best win.

It's not great, but its symbolic of the modern HW division where only to me Tyson Fury has beaten anybody of note.

Wlad's competition was superior to Fury's. It not even debatable. Try staring a tread on thread on that topic if you dare.

Ortiz was 38+ when he fought Wilder, and Ortiz had beaten no one ranked in the top then when he fought them! The fight was close, 85-84 on all three cards, when Ortiz faded due to his age the much younger Wilder scored the TKO. This was Wilder's top win. Yes, he nearly lost to an old man. What does this tell you?

Prime Fury's best win is Wilder who's best win is a 38 + year old ( Cuban's have said Ortiz is older they listed ) Ortiz. Do I have this right? Yep. Now you can argue the tiny details of Wilder's " big " win.

[Dr. Z]

You can take it or leave it.
Wlad had points taken against;
Haye Rd7.
Povetkin R d11.
Jennings Rd 10.

Good research. For once you have come up with facts when I ask for them. Cong****.

You picked Haye to win, too bad that little toe was the excuse for his perfomance .

Here is what the runner Haye look like after the fight.

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• "I am very happy that Haye finally dares to step into the ring with me. He already ducked out of two fights with me and Vitali and is only trash-talking and producing ****** shirts. Now he has to prove in the ring what he has got. I have been waiting for this fight for over two years... I am completely recovered and I have been cleared by the doctor, so I am ready to go. I can train now, but it's early. I do will do the same preparation I always do. I'm, of course, taking this fight like any other fight --seriously. I know exactly what to expect from him and what to do with him. My game plan has not changed since I was preparing to fight him in June 2009. To me nothing has changed." - Wladimir Klitschko in the pre-fight buildup. (Concerning the "****** shirts", Haye wore a t-shirt famously depicting himself standing in the ring with the decapitated heads of Klitschko and his older brother, fellow heavyweight titleholder Vitali Klitschko.
• "He's a fraud and I'm good at exposing frauds... Here's my time to prove it. I'm in good shape, so for the first time he's fighting someone healthy. Normally he tries to pick people who are injured or coming off long layoffs. This time he's got a prime athlete at his peak. I believe the people he's fought make him look spectacular, from the fact that he wears big shoulder pads in his gowns to the fact that he picks the guys who fit his style perfectly. I'm not fooled by it... When the going gets tough, he gets going towards the canvas." - David Haye in the pre-fight buildup
• "He was very cautious", said Klitschko afterward. "He was very difficult to hit. Just like Ibragimov. I really didn't get challenged in the ring offensively. You know, like 'Let's fight!'. Instead he was like all of them, like all of my recent opponents. I would have loved to have celebrated my 50th knockout."

Haye was constantly slipping in the ring. This fight took place in Germany a place where indicated he would have been docked more points if he didn't fight there.

[Ivich]

Good research. For once you have come up with facts when I ask for them. Cong****.

You picked Haye to win, too bad that little toe was the excuse for his perfomance .

Here is what the runner Haye look like after the fight.

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• "I am very happy that Haye finally dares to step into the ring with me. He already ducked out of two fights with me and Vitali and is only trash-talking and producing ****** shirts. Now he has to prove in the ring what he has got. I have been waiting for this fight for over two years... I am completely recovered and I have been cleared by the doctor, so I am ready to go. I can train now, but it's early. I do will do the same preparation I always do. I'm, of course, taking this fight like any other fight --seriously. I know exactly what to expect from him and what to do with him. My game plan has not changed since I was preparing to fight him in June 2009. To me nothing has changed." - Wladimir Klitschko in the pre-fight buildup. (Concerning the "****** shirts", Haye wore a t-shirt famously depicting himself standing in the ring with the decapitated heads of Klitschko and his older brother, fellow heavyweight titleholder Vitali Klitschko.
• "He's a fraud and I'm good at exposing frauds... Here's my time to prove it. I'm in good shape, so for the first time he's fighting someone healthy. Normally he tries to pick people who are injured or coming off long layoffs. This time he's got a prime athlete at his peak. I believe the people he's fought make him look spectacular, from the fact that he wears big shoulder pads in his gowns to the fact that he picks the guys who fit his style perfectly. I'm not fooled by it... When the going gets tough, he gets going towards the canvas." - David Haye in the pre-fight buildup
• "He was very cautious", said Klitschko afterward. "He was very difficult to hit. Just like Ibragimov. I really didn't get challenged in the ring offensively. You know, like 'Let's fight!'. Instead he was like all of them, like all of my recent opponents. I would have loved to have celebrated my 50th knockout."

Haye was constantly slipping in the ring. This fight took place in Germany a place where indicated he would have been docked more points if he didn't fight there.

I always deal in facts,you just ignore them.

Who said I picked Haye to beat Wlad? Haye disgraced himself against Wlad Clinchko.

Wlad has never impressed me ,his best effort imo was his losing one against AJ, it was the first time I have seen him break out of his comfort blanket and go for it

Why you are gloating I don't know I'm not a Haye fan either! Sorry to dissapoint you
yet again.
I'm not nationalistic regarding my fighters.

Haye refused earlier offers to fight the Klits for K2 because they wanted options on Haye if he won.

Specifically they wanted,

The right to promote Haye's first defence.

The right to pick the venue.

And the right to choose the opponent.

No prizes for guessing where the fight would have been held.[Germany] or whom the opponent would have been [the other brother.]

Haye published a contract outlining these conditions in UK newspapers and it was shown on UK TV.There is no argument about it.

Other prospective opponents of the Klits confirmed they were presented with the same conditions if they wanted to fight either brother.

[Marchegiano]

It's super easy to have a lot of Ring rated opponents when the opponents you named and have scheduled to fight you are made top rated boxers overnight in response.

[Ivich]

It's super easy to have a lot of Ring rated opponents when the opponents you named and have scheduled to fight you are made top rated boxers overnight in response.

Yes,we have seen this done several times.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wlad's competition was superior to Fury's. It not even debatable. Try staring a tread on thread on that topic if you dare.

Ortiz was 38+ when he fought Wilder, and Ortiz had beaten no one ranked in the top then when he fought them! The fight was close, 85-84 on all three cards, when Ortiz faded due to his age the much younger Wilder scored the TKO. This was Wilder's top win. Yes, he nearly lost to an old man. What does this tell you?

Prime Fury's best win is Wilder who's best win is a 38 + year old ( Cuban's have said Ortiz is older they listed ) Ortiz. Do I have this right? Yep. Now you can argue the tiny details of Wilder's " big " win.

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

[max baer]

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

love it!!

[Marchegiano]

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

****, 250 points. Let's go champ.

[billeau2]

Now Doctor Z,
You Hate Wilder and dislike Fury. We get it. That's part of being a sports fan. It's no big deal. But while you are entitled to all the absurd supposition you can invent: you are not entitled to your own facts.

Luis Ortiz is no worse than the 8th best heavyweight of the 21st century.

A top ranked international amateur, he was one of the top fighters on the fabled Cuban team from the age of 22; Cuban champion; at 26 PanAm games Gold, World Cup Silver; 343-19 record. He turned pro at 30, skilled and experienced, and plowed to the top of the division winning the WBC FECARBOX, the WBA Fedelatin, WBO and WBC Latino and WBA interim world heavyweight titles, for you title fans; before blowing away ranked Bryant Jennings, who's only loss was a UD to Wladimir Klitschko in Dr Steelhammer's final win.

It is my estimation that combined, both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko beat precisely Three fighters in their combined 116 bouts who were on the level of the smack dab in the core of his prime, 38 year old, 28-0 Luis Ortiz, whom Deontay Wilder destroyed.

But hey, we've all got options, right?
On Boxing, many of mine are derived from sitting near to ringside.

There is so much ignorance regarding Ortiz. The tropes about his age, etc... Similar to Areola. Areola fought wonderfully against Ruiz, but everyone colored the performance with questions about Ruiz' ability. Areola came in at a great weight and both men practically set a record for activity. But alas... The idiots brayed on.

Ortiz fought two well planned out fights against Wilder. The second performance in particular was cracker jack. He got caught, Kudos to Wilder! Ortiz had no losses before that (if memory serves correct). He has always had skill and ability and been a live dog. But you get these individuals that see weight and age as these reasons to believe absurd realities. Unfortunately Doctor Z, in some of his opinions falls into this category.